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Bones and Teeth- What to do?

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Richard H.

02-28-2006 08:50:41




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Kinda OT but here goes, Last year I started diggin a small pond on my place with a pond scoop and got it about half done. This morning a couple guys from our camp ground came by and ask if they could hunt for arrow heads and such around the place, no problem until they ask if they could search around the pond and the fresh dirt around it. They found several bones, teeth (molars)as in what look human to me...YUK! So i went out with them and had a look around myself and found a white enamel tooth about 2 1/2" long. I believe the first masterdon in North America
was found about six miles from my house and as you can imagine it was quite a scene and find. Should I close my eyes and go on? I"m having visions of tents, cameras,peoples etc. Richard

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retired farmer

02-28-2006 21:12:23




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 Re: Bones and Teeth- What to do? in reply to Richard H., 02-28-2006 08:50:41  
The tooth and bones would have to be petrified to be old. Probably an old dead horse or cow died and was buried there. People don't have teeth two inches long. If you have seen animal skeletons you should be able to tell what kind of animal it was. Tell them no digging, and finish your pond. The state built a highway across our property years ago and I found a petrified dinosaur vertabre about as big as your fist. I kind of wished now that I had notified someone about it so they could have looked for the rest of it but I didn't. They finished the road and I have no regrets. Let the dead rest in peace.

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Mark - IN.

02-28-2006 16:42:48




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 Re: Bones and Teeth- What to do? in reply to Richard H., 02-28-2006 08:50:41  
Jimmy Hoffa and his pet snow lepard. Where'd you say you live? Have been looking for them.

Mark



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Michael D.

02-28-2006 16:26:53




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 Re: Bones and Teeth- What to do? in reply to Richard H., 02-28-2006 08:50:41  
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The tooth you described sounds like a horse tooth. Unless you are digging in a hard or clay type soil the teeth and any bones that may be found are not that old. If you are finding any pottery or leather you could be in for a long haul with the local collages or universities. You may have already made a mistake by letting other people on your land. If you find some large bones that you dont know about save them. This picture is a mastadon tooth. They are 6 to 10 inches long and 3 to 5 inches wide on an average. Some could be larger and some smaller. Notice they are not white. If you have any pictures send them to me and I will try to identify them.

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Scotmac

02-28-2006 14:53:02




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 Re: Bones and Teeth- What to do? in reply to Richard H., 02-28-2006 08:50:41  
You should feel lucky...the only things we find are old grease guns and wrenches we lost in the field 30 years ago. No historical significence here, except what dummies we were not being able to keep track of our tools!



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Redmud

02-28-2006 11:15:08




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 Re: Bones and Teeth- What to do? in reply to Richard H., 02-28-2006 08:50:41  
If you want the pond in that spot, tell the guys to keep it quiet, while you get r dug. It may be that no one cares about the bones, but you might be surprised at those that like being in control of other folks property.



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Jonfarmer

02-28-2006 11:06:04




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 Re: Bones and Teeth- What to do? in reply to Richard H., 02-28-2006 08:50:41  
I don't know what to tell you, it would be a shame to destroy something that might help us figgure out the universe, but then I can totally understand not wanting your property to become not yours to do as you please. State went to put in a new bridge and move the road alittle, and I guess it was the local university that stopped them because indian artifacts were found, they dug around in there for several years, they are now going ahead with the project now that the university is finished, but not before they had dug up every inch of where that new road was going to be. They had also dug up a farmers meadow on the other side of the bridge. I don't know, they might not be interested, and yet they might dig up your entire property. I don't know what they found at the bridge site, but they sure did an awful lot of digging there (kinda looks like they were looking for gold, they had crews digging and shaker screens set up to seperate the dirt from any artifacts), however they did fill all the holes back in and put stuff back the way they found it. I guess if your not in a hurry to have the pond, you might let them come and take a look. If you find any human bones, you should contact the police, you never know, maybe somebody killed someone a few years ago and buried them on your property and with todays tecnology they might be able to solve the murder or atleast be able to identify the person with the remains. If They are indeed human bones, the coroner will take them away. Hope this helps,

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Dachshund

02-28-2006 10:13:17




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 Re: Bones and Teeth- What to do? in reply to Richard H., 02-28-2006 08:50:41  
Just rope off an area about three times the size of the pond you wanted, till up the topsoil about a foot deep. Call your local University. Tell them that you have been pulling bones out of the area for awhile. When they get done digging, you will have a really nice pond and someone else will have done the work.



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BBx

02-28-2006 10:00:56




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 Re: Bones and Teeth- What to do? in reply to Richard H., 02-28-2006 08:50:41  
Stuff like that are found fairly frequently. Unless it is something extra rare, there will probably be little excitement. If you have a university nearby, contact them and, without giving your location, explain what you have found. Ask about the implications of it as far as who could possibly demand access to your place. If they seem interested and it does not appear to be a potential hassle, introduce yourself and invite them to come check it out. Don't call from home unless you block your caller ID number.

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Billy NY

02-28-2006 09:39:45




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 Re: Bones and Teeth- What to do? in reply to Richard H., 02-28-2006 08:50:41  
Fascinating stuff, I know arrowheads have turned up around here, but other than old farmer dumps which were a blast to root around in as a kid, nothing else ever seemed to turn up. We did have a mastedon found not too far away in Cohoes, NY, but other than small scallop shell fossils I've found in rubble from the stone quarry, never seen anything of interest. I think this area was under the ocean long ago, 40 miles north was the beach area.

We've never uncovered anything significant during construction, but recall the site in Manhattan, where a new post office was going up, they found the remains of former slaves, job still got done, I know they had a tent set up there for a long time. Closer to home, state agency put up a new building close to the river, lot of old dutch artifacts from the 1600's turned up from there old landfills, job still went forward.

Maybe you can research this on the web, talk to some people about the procedures involved,what happens if a discovery is made, you don't have to reveal your potential site, then make a decision, at least you have considered the possibility so far. It would not take long for heavy equipment to destroy something that may be in the subsurface.

Talk about an interesting subject, I think I'd enjoy a career in something long these lines,who needs the big salary and stress anymore LOL !!! We used to spend hours and hours in the farmers dumps and anywhere people had dumped anything entertaining ourselves as kids, it was a blast, I still dig around in the ones that are left, old steel beer cans were still in collectible shape then, and of course all the old bottles, it was all like treasure to us. Then of course old barns and buildings were always a treat, some of the things that turn up are amazing, love old junk be it fossils or antiques, would rather find something than buy it in a store, was a lot of fun and an excellent stress reliever.

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old

02-28-2006 09:19:59




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 Re: Bones and Teeth- What to do? in reply to Richard H., 02-28-2006 08:50:41  
That could be good or it could be bad, depending on laws etc. I have a cave that is on a list of dig sites so no one other the state guys can dig in it, other then may self. You could have a gold mine there or you could have big trouble. The state could even come in and make you stop digging but they could also come in and pay you big $$$ just to let them dig



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TRC

02-28-2006 09:05:57




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 Re: Bones and Teeth- What to do? in reply to Richard H., 02-28-2006 08:50:41  
I think you never really know what you have until someone who is an expert take a look. Although you might want to avoid it, you should probably try to find some experts and have give the area the once over. You might have something there that hasn't been discovered anywhere else. In my area a huge fossil site was uncovered (supposedly the largest of it's kind)when a new road was being built. Tim

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NEsota

02-28-2006 09:05:49




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 Re: Bones and Teeth- What to do? in reply to Richard H., 02-28-2006 08:50:41  
This is very exciting news. My hope is that this is the real thing and will make a contribution to science. Where are ya, latitude-longitude ? Please keep us posted.



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Mark

02-28-2006 10:38:23




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 Re: Bones and Teeth- What to do? in reply to NEsota, 02-28-2006 09:05:49  
If you have blundered onto an ancient Indian mound and any tribe of Indians find out about it, they'll be there in an instant screaming you are desecrating the graves of their ancestors. Makes no difference about anything, if they can raise hell over it, they will..be prepared for that hassle too.



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Ryan - WI

02-28-2006 16:16:15




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 ` in reply to Mark , 02-28-2006 10:38:23  
And how exactly would you respond if someone came in and wanted to dig up the graves of the local cemetary from the 1800's settlers so they could build there?

Thought so



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730 virgil

02-28-2006 18:27:11




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 Re: ` in reply to Ryan - WI, 02-28-2006 16:16:15  
that makes no difference to the great state of chicago and king richard daley he is planning on adding on to ohara feild and there is a cemetery in the way ( for now ) he is going to have it moved



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Mark

02-28-2006 17:51:28




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 Re: in reply to Ryan - WI, 02-28-2006 16:16:15  
Ryan,

How! Chief!

No, you don't think so, you spoke before you thought.

The fact of the matter is, A: a cemetary is just that. Had Settler Brown croaked on his journey and somebody buried his carcass where he fell, it wouldn't bother me one bit if somebody dug him up 150-200 years after the fact. He isn't going to know anything about it and nobody else knew he was planted there.

Same with these ancient burial grounds. The remains held within have been there many hundreds, if not thousands of years. Great posibility that the ancestors of whoever raises hell about them being dug up, are the very people who killed those laying there. These happenstance findings are not in known cemetaries and much historical and cultural knowledge can be had from recovery of the artifacts found in these ancient graves. I am all for recovery, pretty stupid to leave this stuff buried in the ground when it can be appreciated by LIVING people and give us a link to the past.

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Mike from cny

02-28-2006 21:18:01




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 Re: in reply to Mark , 02-28-2006 17:51:28  
I'd dig a smaller hole elsewhere, throw everything you find in it and fill it in, and mark it so you know where it is. Maybe if you decide to sell the property or what not, you can mention what you found, doesnt sound like its worth dealing with, depending on how soon you wanna build that pond. Thats my 2 cents



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