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Allan In NE

03-31-2006 17:39:23

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Hi Guys,

It is worse than I thought. Been dreadin' this for some time.

This old sod has got to be the toughest plowin' I've ever done in my life! Think I'm gonna have to yank 'er out of the ground a little as much as I hate to, 'cause we're clear down in 3rd gear; often with the stick back. This is gonna be a long process. :>(

So, here's my plan. Throw your tractor and plow on yer trailer and head for my place. I'll set back and give ya a round of applause and you can plow all ya want. :>)

Good news is that the wife has that pony that pitched her on her nose jumpin' thru hoops now. Now he knows who's boss.

Allan

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John A.

04-01-2006 05:54:12

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 17:39:23

Allan, Looks like to me this is one of those situations where you just need to "Hook up early and stay late" You just are not going to run through that short grass, hard packed soil with any speed at all.
I would have run a chiesel plow through it in dirrerent direction at least 3 to 4 times, but that is me. This is your tea party. Your ol'Girl is doing all she can. I say get in 2nd, keep that TA in high.... then Get-after-It! That ground your are on now, if my memory serves me right hadn't had a plow in it for yrs. This isn't what you wanted to hear. But the good news is from you earlier post ... the rear end is quieting down! And the engine will be broke in too.
You know, you could get a book and read on the long straight pulls! LOL! You are doing a surenough a good job there.
Later,
John A.
OBTW...Just how deep are you pulling anyway? Look to be about 10 ins or so to me.
permit me one more thing...higher hp tractors will pull with some extra speed, BUT...tend to tear up stuff doing it. so haveing a plow torn all to thunder is not a great alternative either. Be careful outthere Neighbor!

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Allan In NE

04-01-2006 07:52:38

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to John A., 04-01-2006 05:54:12

Hi John,

I dunno, I never measured it but it definetly is in the ground. Up to the hub on the tractor.

Think I'm gonna pull the bolts and lift it out a little, but I gotta be careful as I don't wanna end up like the job in the second picture. Past experience has taught me that with our soil types, a shallow furrow just leads to headaches on down the road.

'Course what the heck am I talking about anyway? Already have the worst cast of hardpan ever! :>(

Allan

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Keith-OR

04-01-2006 13:58:11

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 04-01-2006 07:52:38

WHAT, do I see a dent across hood at fuel filler cap ??? I have a dolly and hammer you can use. :>)

Thought you would sneak that one by us, huh Allan.

Keith & Shawn

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R. John Johnson

04-01-2006 05:49:50

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 17:39:23

Allan

I'm the first to admit that I know squat about field work, but can you unbolt one of the bottoms from the plow so she pulls easier? Once you've gone over it for the first time won't it be loose enough to use all 4 bottom in future?

John

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massey333

04-01-2006 05:25:49

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 17:39:23

Just go GREEN.that should start some fights.Truthfully ,Unless you have fluid in your tires I don't know how you are even pulling that plow,around us a 966 or 4240 without fluid needs at least 1500-2000 lbs.of cast on the drives on a cab tractors plus what ever on the front.Our rule was always one ton per bottom plus 1000 lbs.Iam pulling 6-18s(Int.720) (Weighting 23-25000 lbs) at 4 1/2 -5 mph+.AS far as the no till,ground needs disturbed ever so often but for beans,my no tills out yield the conv.10 to 20 bu.every year(last 10-15 yrs.anyway planted April 15-25 7 1/2" rows)Corn even last 3 yrs.(on 800-1000a total.

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Paul In ON

03-31-2006 21:02:31

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 17:39:23

Allan,

Looking good, was always told - look at what you've done, not what you have to do. As for them grazing cattle on that in previous years- sorry about your luck. Paul

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Bill in Colo

03-31-2006 19:38:24

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 17:39:23

Allan this fall,just before hard frost spray with 8-12oz of roundup and you will think you have a much larger tractor! Roundup is the cheapest fuel you'll ever buy. I never plow anything but wheat stuble without roundup.

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WyoDave

03-31-2006 18:18:41

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 17:39:23

Allan, I was one of the people that said you couldn't pull 4-18's. So, you just being able to plow sure proved to me otherwise. You'll get it done, even if it takes a little longer. Come August you'll be so tired of baling hay, you'll be longing for the plow.
David

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Allan In NE

03-31-2006 18:26:14

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to WyoDave, 03-31-2006 18:18:41

That did it!

I'm goin' after that Massey Plow. Heck I pulled one of those jokers for 14 years with my other 966.

'Course the sod made her beller a little, but boy! Nothing like this. I can hear those old alfalfa roots a snappin' over the noise of the engine.

What did they tell me? Be careful what ya wish for? :>)

Allan

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WyoDave

03-31-2006 18:32:18

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 18:26:14

All I've ever plowed is alfalfa, so maybe thats why I thought it'd plow hard. We only plow from alfalfa to corn, and than just minimum till from corn back to alfalfa. I know our 4240 will work pretty good with a 4-18, I'm hoping the 4020 will just play with the 3-18. It should have no problems. We'll see Monday.
David

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Allan In NE

03-31-2006 18:38:57

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to WyoDave, 03-31-2006 18:32:18

This plow came from one of your neighbors over there. Darned if I can remember his name, tho.

Anyway, he told me that I'd have a heck of a time pullin' it with a 100 horse tractor. Maybe I should have listened to him and left it set. :>(

Sure wish I had that 3 bottom of yours. Looks like a sweetie. And yes, that John of yours will handle it just fine.

Allan

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WyoDave

03-31-2006 18:43:28

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 18:38:57

These 3&4 bottom spinners are on about every auction around here. Just go buy yourself a 3 as well. I know that Deere will pull our plow. My Dad probably bought the two at the same time. He has already claimed some seat time. I think he needs a trip down memory lane.
david

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Nathan in Texas

03-31-2006 18:02:33

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 17:39:23

Well it looks good anyway!

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joe e-tx

03-31-2006 17:56:22

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 17:39:23

darn no factory cabs and high HP was made in old days.sure looks fun to me . will look for hauler tonight.hang in there allan only a few acres to go?
joe

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Allan In NE

03-31-2006 18:06:32

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to joe e-tx, 03-31-2006 17:56:22

Hey Joe,

This is the first 18" IH plow I've ever owned. Many, many people have told me that they pull back like a mule on the end of a rope.

I'm half tempted to go grab a 4-18 Massey and see if what I've been told is true; I know those things pull easy.

'Course the guy that sold this farm told me I'd be sorry; 'cause it plowed like Tiger ShuT. :>)

Allan

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the tractor vet

03-31-2006 19:12:20

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 18:06:32

Oh and Allen if ya think a I H plow pulls hard just wait till ya hook onto a massey BTDT , and OIL ALL OVER pulls a bit easier . Now as for me with all that nice open ground myself i would be looken for a prime tillage tractor like a 4366 and a nice set of 7x18's and myelf i would not worry about the dead farrows as they do disc out nicely and the next year when ya roll the field in they are all gone.

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the tractor vet

03-31-2006 18:32:19

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 18:06:32

Allen it is not as bad as one farm that i rented that had not be plowed for who knows how long and had cattel freerangen on it , normaly i would have 5-600 lbs on the ft. pulling 4x16 I H 710 plows and haul them in 1st high stick ahead well since i did not know the ground and it was in the area of the start of the coal fields and knowing the rock population of this state i figured that i would drop to low 4 well since i could not find any sign of a dead farrow i figure that i would roll it out then i would know where the middel was pulled into the field up along the one fence row pointed the nose to the east droped the nose of the plow and hit the remote to drop the back and pull the throttel down and the fire went out killed her dead wooooo whats this all about droped down to 3rd low wound her up and started to come off the clutch and promtly pulled the fasthitch out from under the tractor sheard all four bolts , drop plow use tuggem chain to hold said broke pices up under tractor take tractor back to farm #1 for needed repairs drill out said broken bolts clean holes out replace broken bolts with grade 10 Bowmaloy torqure to spec. go back hook up to plow try 3rd low again have to pull stick back kill tractor , drop to 2nd low rev up drop clutch put ft of tractor almost stright in air unhook plow go back to farm #1 add 4 more 100 lbs weight to nose bolt on two 150's to side rails go back hook back up to plow and it was 2nd gear and most of the time with the stick back and th ft. anywhere from a foot off the ground to 4 ft. off the ground as this place had never been plowed with anything more then a 2 N ford and 2 X12 inch plows or a team of horses and a walking plow and i had got under the hard pan at times i would bring up slabs of hard pan that would lift the plow up when it hit the bottom of the main beam . there was 75 acres of that the first year. I would have been ahead of the game if i would have bought , rented stole , begged a two shank ripper and ripped it first. And if ya think i am kidding ya i will give ya my one friends phone # and you can ask him as he would not ride one round with me but he sat and watched waiten for me to flip the 706 over .

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Allan In NE

03-31-2006 18:48:23

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to the tractor vet, 03-31-2006 18:32:19

Bingo!

That never even dawned on me.

That's exactly what they were doing with this place for the past 35 years; running the damned cattle on it, except for this past summer when I wouldn't let 'em do it. So, they hayed it.

Never even thought of that. No wonder it pulls hard!

Thanks Pard! I feel a little better 'bout the whole situation now. (not much but a little) :>)

Allan

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the tractor vet

03-31-2006 19:04:28

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 18:48:23

Allen go find a DMI VEE ripper like a 3 shank one and set the gauge wheels so it will get down about 12-14 inches and use the SMALL tiger points and checker board it then plow it . Now i am going to tell ya they do pull hard and you may be looken for a good 1066-1466 but they do do the job and on a dry year if ya got corn out it realy helps the corn as the roots can now get down deeper and find that moisture .

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evielboweviel

03-31-2006 18:18:21

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 18:06:32

I figure if I hitch the 4-16 semimount to the 1650D and start your way I could get there in time for fall plowing and probably need a new set of tires. SURE wish you were closer as I would enjoy plowing with you.
My trailer will haul the 66 and 2-16 pull type however it is too light to work in that ground
Good luck
Ron

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Princeton bill

04-01-2006 06:25:03

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to evielboweviel, 03-31-2006 18:18:21

I have been an Oliver guy forever, but a 1650 and 4-16s in that sod would be way short on power. We plowed some 7 year sod last spring and the 1850s were good with 4-16s, but the 5-16s were way too much. Our 2150 rolled right along with 5-16s.

That's pretty neat looking plowing where the rollover lets you go back and forth.

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evielboweviel

04-01-2006 07:33:50

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Princeton bill, 04-01-2006 06:25:03

last september I plowed 22 acres with my 1650 and a white 4-16 semimounted plow. This ground went into government ground around 1984 and two small patches (5 acres) had been in hay since 1981. Then was hay ground every year. Last five years just got hogged off. It was extremely dry and very hard where a gas line repair crew had driven on it in the spring when it was wet. Plowed in 2cd under at 2400 rpm started out in 2cd direct and blew a head gasket was running warm so slowed down and plowed before daylight to noon. ran 10" deep and did good in it except the section where the pipe line repair crew drove at. Going east could plow it by ramming the throttle against the stop and picking the plow up about 2 inches it was rolling boulders out. Going west the plow popped on top of the ground and slid across the tracks then went back in.
Back tires loaded one weight on each side starter and two slabs on the front. When plowing the last couple of rounds against the fence was in 1st with the front end up by every tree plowing out roots and sometimes had to push the clutch in or flip over.
Central Ohio did get rain on it so we could work the ground up and plant wheat. Want to plow it again this year and then should be able to just disk for a few years. will be wheat each year.
Ron

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the tractor vet

03-31-2006 19:40:17

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to evielboweviel, 03-31-2006 18:18:21

Well that would turn some heads now if i would put the 4X16's behind the 806 we could start a tractor convoy to Neb. but rely it would ONLY take about a week on the road ya can drive a tractor across the state of Ohio in around 11 hours if they would let ya on a couple of the roads it is getting from my side of the state out past I 71 that is a bear after that running on OLD 30 is not that much of a problem but there would be some realy ticked off truckers on the few parts of the old two lane that they still use. Now talken about a tractor ride that would be the one of the century , i would have to fix the radio for that one.

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Allan In NE

03-31-2006 18:28:18

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to evielboweviel, 03-31-2006 18:18:21

Stand by.

I'm gonna go round up a driver and send my truck and trailer after ya. LOL!

Allan

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Robhkent

03-31-2006 19:29:59

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 18:28:18

Once upon a time in high school I remember a similar situation at Dad's. Running a good pulling 1066 with full rack with a... 3-16 behind and only pulling it in low 4. Right behind me was Dad in a G1000 with a 3-14 and pulling hard. Field had been in alfalfa 7 yrs and then pastured 1yr. We did not plow very deep either, the next year Dad bought a 610 offset disc.

Rob

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evielboweviel

03-31-2006 18:47:46

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Re: Colorado Curt or Somebody.....HELP! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-31-2006 18:28:18

sounds good can have the tractor and plow ready in 15 minutes. the tires are still set out from plowing last fall.
Ron

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