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cdmn

09-03-2005 00:49:45




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FEMA, the Federal Emergency agency has a book out with designs on how to run your tractor without petroleum:

Construction of a Simplified Wood Gas Generator for Fueling Internal Combustion Engines in a Petroleum emergency




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msb

09-03-2005 19:21:56




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 Re: Run your tractor without petroleum in reply to cdmn, 09-03-2005 00:49:45  
Thanks much for the link.I have been wanting information on this process for some time now.The University of Tennessee did some research on this a few years back.Think it was reported in "Progressive Farmer Magazine".The idea has a lot more applications than on just engines.It is a very efficient method of burning any carbon containing substance including old tires.I think shredded or chipped tires just might be the fuel of choice for a burner like this.Even the smoke would be burned as it contains a lot of carbon.
I guess we could go back to ear corn and burn the cobs to run out tractors on too.NOT!lol,bob--I ain't shovelin no more corn!

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Pawel

09-03-2005 09:56:58




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 Re: Run your tractor without petroleum in reply to cdmn, 09-03-2005 00:49:45  
Sounds like a good idea but is that to make methanol or ethanol?

I heard there were problems with running either of those 2 fuels in a gasser; having to do with the nature of the ethanol that has little to no lubrication in it... anuy of you ever hear of this?

Pawel



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RustyFarmall

09-03-2005 09:49:45




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 Re: Run your tractor without petroleum in reply to cdmn, 09-03-2005 00:49:45  
I think the real answer is going to be hydrogen fuel, all you need is water and electricity to generate it, and the emissions are pure oxygen. Now I know it's probably not quite that simple, but can it get any better than that?



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MN Scott

09-03-2005 09:57:57




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 Re: Run your tractor without petroleum in reply to RustyFarmall, 09-03-2005 09:49:45  
The electricity still has to come from some source like burning coal, wind ect. Hydrogen is not a fuel source in it self. There is no such thing as a hydrogen well, it takes an equal amount of energy to split water to get it.



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mike brown

09-03-2005 15:28:25




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 Re: Run your tractor without petroleum in reply to MN Scott, 09-03-2005 09:57:57  
I'm sure the ratio is not close to 1:1 to produce hydrogen. Think of hydrogen as a battery. I have yet to read which is better, electricity to hydrogen to fuel cell to electric motor to wheels or electricity to battery to motor to wheels.



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RustyFarmall

09-03-2005 15:24:56




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 Re: Run your tractor without petroleum in reply to MN Scott, 09-03-2005 09:57:57  
The electricity will come from your 12 volt battery, hydrogen can be generated on board as you use it. Still don't know all the specifics.



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big fred

09-03-2005 16:59:29




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 Re: Run your tractor without petroleum in reply to RustyFarmall, 09-03-2005 15:24:56  
Huh? If you have a 12V battery that big, and a way to keep it charged, why would you need to generate hydrogen on-board?



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Bret4207

09-03-2005 16:35:35




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 Re: Run your tractor without petroleum in reply to RustyFarmall, 09-03-2005 15:24:56  
Got to be more to it than that or we'd have a perpetual motion machine.



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buickanddeere

09-03-2005 17:17:29




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 Re: Run your tractor without petroleum in reply to Bret4207, 09-03-2005 16:35:35  
It takes more energy to split the water into two parts Hydrogen and one part oxygen. Than what you get in heat or electrical power when burning the hydrogen. Hydrogen is hard to store as the molecules are so small they sneak through rubber and steel. The hydrogen also makes most metal brittle. Hydrogen generation is the only real use for wind or solar power.



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Dick A

09-03-2005 09:31:46




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 Re: Run your tractor without petroleum in reply to cdmn, 09-03-2005 00:49:45  
I was in Japan in 1950 and there were cars with a charcoal burner on the back which powered the cars.



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buickanddeere

09-03-2005 03:14:24




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 Re: Run your tractor without petroleum in reply to cdmn, 09-03-2005 00:49:45  
I would look into fermenting and distilling something with starch into alcohol 1st. Or methane from anything organic that is rotting.



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