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havvey

08-21-2005 09:49:26




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got broke into, looking at burglar alarms and window signs for the farm any help? lets leave the 45 and 12 guage out as i already have them! have 3 buildings to beef up. How have you guys done one this?




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City Boy Scott

08-22-2005 20:13:04




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 Well I'm a cop..... in reply to havvey, 08-21-2005 09:49:26  
You have to look at security in levels...

Example:
Good locks
Sticker bushes planted outside of ground floor windows
Outside motion lights
Monitored alarm system
Cell backup for the system
Large/heavy TL30 safe for guns and jewelry
ScH trained GSD
Angry armed homeowner and wife

Along those same lines, don't brag about what you have. Keep your safe hidden out of view.

I also put wireless motion in my barn, which is tied into the main monitored system. It's kind of slick, I can partition the barn so it's always armed, even while we're home. Ya, it's all kind of expensive but to me the piece of mind is well worth it.

It's also a real good idea to inventory everything you have of value and keep the list in two separate locations (home, work or trusted friend). Then when/if you get ripped off you can proved a list of serial numbers to the police.

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Don't be a victim

08-22-2005 04:28:51




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 Re: burlar alarms/home security need help o/t in reply to havvey, 08-21-2005 09:49:26  
I think Hal/ WA said it best. Make it as undesirable for the burgular and he will most likely go somewhere else, e.g. motion detection lights at barns/buildings and all corners of the house, plus if you live way off the road gated access, and real or fake cameras placed to be seen. With five years of prior law enforcement behind me I know that 95% of all alarm calls to police stations are false. By the time police respond the thief will be gone, but at least he will leave quickly and not spend much time looking for valuables. Keeping that in mind, keep valuables locked in a safe or very well hiden, Your wifes jewelry box on top of the dresser is not a smart place to keep a long time treasured family heirloom (if stolen impossible to replace). Be smart and extremely cautious of anyone acting strange in the area and asking alot of questions. If you can or so desire a dog that barks at anything that moves can be a real good deterant, but a biter is a liabilaty. At lastly its best to have a neighbor or relative come by atleast once a day to check the mail/paper and look around the place and feed the dog while you are away.
Nothing can make you break-n-proof, but the less desirable your place appears to the theif the better your chances are he will go somewhere else. And odds are you either know the suspect or someone that you know, knows the suspect.

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buickanddeere

08-21-2005 19:54:41




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 Re: burlar alarms/home security need help o/t in reply to havvey, 08-21-2005 09:49:26  
VCR, motion activated switch and camera recording everything in and out of the driveway. Monitored alarm system with cellular backup. I installed my system with CO, flood, low temp, rate of rise heat in the garage, shed, furnace room & kitchen. Smoke detectors elsewhere. You will likely know or know of the people who ripped you off, when looking at the video tape.



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Dumb painter

08-21-2005 19:21:48




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 Re: burlar alarms/home security need help o/t in reply to havvey, 08-21-2005 09:49:26  
Well if you don't want to use a 12 gauge try a 10 gauge. The more power the better. Not a deterent, but very effective as a curative.



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Nebraska Cowman

08-21-2005 17:35:05




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 Re: burlar alarms/home security need help o/t in reply to havvey, 08-21-2005 09:49:26  
I'd consider a driveway alarm. Lets you know someone is coming. If you are absent have one hooked up to notify elsewhere. I find that rattlesnakes work better than the dogs but I still have trouble with guys dropping off items for me to sell. Maybe I should lock the gate?



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Midwest redneck

08-21-2005 17:03:19




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 Re: burlar alarms/home security need help o/t in reply to havvey, 08-21-2005 09:49:26  
I have not been broke into...yet. But a good friend of mine has, they live 3 miles from me. I want to make a built in safe, 3 layers of concrete board, plus steel plate front door with deadbolts. I want to put this in one of my closets and make it real tough for an amatuer to steal valuables from me. I dont want to pay $800 or more for a real safe that can be ripped off from my house, not to mention that $800 is a lot of money now, my plant where I work will be closing in 6 months or so. I know that a dog is a good detterent too. Also loud music, burglar alarms...get one where the cops are called in 30 seconds of the alarm sounding.

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evielboweviel

08-21-2005 18:37:00




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 Re: burlar alarms/home security need help o/t in reply to Midwest redneck, 08-21-2005 17:03:19  
get some 4" pvc sch 40 and install it in the basement with a cap on the end. push into the basement wall, run inside a ways install a tee with cleanout and butt the pipe up to the floor tight. Looks just like plumbing for the toilet and nobody even notices it.
Ron



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Hal/WA

08-21-2005 16:36:52




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 Re: burlar alarms/home security need help o/t in reply to havvey, 08-21-2005 09:49:26  
Part of it depends on how remote you are. If you are beyond neighbor's hearing or sight, lots of alarm systems don't help much. Before you get talked into some system that automatically calls law enforcement, check with the law enforcement agency to see how they deal with false alarms. Most systems generate some false alarms and some law enforcement agencies levy fairly heavy fines for unnecessary responses.

If you live near neighbors, the loud siren or horn type system is usually quite effective. But be a good neighbor and tell your neighbor how to turn the thing off. You WILL make your neighbors mad at you if your alarm siren sounds for an extended amount of time and no one knows how to turn it off.

A dog that acts intimidating is an excellent deterrant to burglars. Although someone who really wants to get to your stuff will just shoot the dog, most burglars will go elsewhere if a dog acts like it will not let them out of their vehicle. But have your liability insurance paid up.....

I like systems that are activated as someone approaches. Having a real or fake TV camera covering the front door might make a burglar think that their image has been recorded, and they might move on. Inside, motion detectors usually work great, however are a problem if you have pets inside.

Another thought is to make it difficult to find your valuables if a burglary does occur. An old favorite trick is to cut out a hollow in the pages of a book on a shelf with lots of others, leaving a great place to hide cash or jewelry. Guns can be hidden inside the wall of a closet, invisible unless the burglar knows how to remove the covering. And make it difficult to break into security areas of your buildings so it takes extra time to load things up. Never leave the keys in the ignition of any of your vehicles, or leave them all on a key board in the kitchen or shop.

You can spend a lot of money on an alarm system or can get by fairly cheaply. Most monitored systems run into a bunch of bucks very fast and will not prevent your place from being burglarized if the response time for law enforcement is likely to be very long. You probably cannot totally prevent a burglary, but if you make it seem too difficult or dangerous, most burglars will go bother someone else. Good luck!

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Coldiron

08-21-2005 16:20:59




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 Re: burlar alarms/home security need help o/t in reply to havvey, 08-21-2005 09:49:26  
Chances are that within a month they will be back at about the same time they hit you. Some of the thieves are smart and wait awhile for the insurance to pay off and come back for the new stuff. While you are preparing for protection, photograph your posessions, Jewelry and other small things so you will remember all that you have. Stick the photographs somewhere for safe keeping you may need them later. Now, check the local hock shops and flea markets, your stolen stuff may show up real soon. Good luck and hope you catch the dog.

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Ray,ohio

08-21-2005 11:19:23




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 Re: burlar alarms/home security need help o/t in reply to havvey, 08-21-2005 09:49:26  
We were broke into twice,got an alarm system from a local alarm company.We had the whole house wired with magnetic switches at the doors and windows.We also have a motion dectector in the living room and one in the basement.We didn't get the wireless system some use,there not as dependable and require frequent battery
changes.It cost us around $2000.It goes directly to the sheriffs office,not a monitoring system.

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Ray,ohio

08-21-2005 11:24:01




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 Re: burlar alarms/home security need help o/t in reply to Ray,ohio, 08-21-2005 11:19:23  
forgot,we also have 5 motion detectors placed in our drives and a couple at my farm shop that beep if anyone is around them.The unit plugs into the house electric,has five lights and five different tones so you know which one is going off.



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Gorilla

08-21-2005 15:35:54




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 Re: burlar alarms/home security need help o/t in reply to Ray,ohio, 08-21-2005 11:24:01  
If you get an alarm system a couple of things I would consider: Get either motion detectors inside (not good when you have animals in the house) or glass break detectors. If you just have the window frames wired then somebody can just break out the glass and come in without disturbing the frame. The break detectors will set the alarm off when it "hears" breaking glass (only when the system is armed). They work very well. I would also put a very loud siren/horn somewhere like in the attic pointing out a gable vent or something like that. Monitoring is great but usually by the time the local authorities get the alarm and get there the burglar has robbed you and gone. If you have a LOUD siren/horn it is likely to scare the bejesus out of em and also alert your neighbors who hopefully will at least look out & get a description/ license #. If they cut the phone wire before they break in then the alarm wont be reported...at least not as anything except a trouble alarm. I have had 2 systems with wireless contacts where it wasnt very accesible. They have been totally reliable for me and just need batteries about every 5 years.

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wgm

08-21-2005 18:43:27




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 Re: burlar alarms/home security need help o/t in reply to Gorilla, 08-21-2005 15:35:54  
i have alarm system in my house using motion detectors. Also have a dog in the house. Not a problem with the motion detectors.



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Gorilla

08-21-2005 15:39:39




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 Re: burlar alarms/home security need help o/t in reply to Gorilla, 08-21-2005 15:35:54  
oh yeah. And dont forget to put a couple of "alarm monitored by:" stickers on doors and maybe a alarm yard sign up next to the front door. That can be some deterent in itself.



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504

08-21-2005 19:19:11




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 Re: burlar alarms/home security need help o/t in reply to Gorilla, 08-21-2005 15:39:39  
Check at X10.com Good products.



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