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mikeinWA

04-07-2005 08:29:19




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I am located in WA state and have recently been looking at trading up to a larger JD loader tractor. I found a 1630 someone brought down from Canada, owner says it is the equivalent of US 2240. It is a decent tractor but my parts guy is hesitant about parts availability, especially electrical and hydraulic. Anyone have experience with Canadian tractor in US?




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Hugh MacKay

04-07-2005 18:50:32




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to mikeinWA, 04-07-2005 08:29:19  
Mike: I think you should avoid the 1630, not for the reasons most are telling you. Truth is the 1630 was one of Deere's lemons. It was not built in Canada. According to a neighbor of mine, it was not built in Germany or the USA either.



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buickanddeere

04-07-2005 22:09:58




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-07-2005 18:50:32  
What are you talking about? Do you believe your neighbour more than the JD experts here?



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Hugh MacKay

04-08-2005 04:07:58




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to buickanddeere, 04-07-2005 22:09:58  
buickanddeere: I don't think it's any secret, for the past 30 years John Deere have had a cheapie lineup in 30 to 60 hp tractors. Now being an IH man, I'm not very familiar with the exact models. I can say I've heard the model number 1630 from numerous sources, and have never heard many good things about it.

My neighbor and he is in fact a former neighbor since we have each moved since retirement. This guy would compare favorably with the JD experts here at YT. He had heart problems later in life, had to have a pacemaker. He was always having problems with the pacemaker, always growling about the damn thing. A group of us were having a discussion one day, when my neighbors health came into the discussion. Amoung us the John Deere dealer, who suggested he may have to encourage John Deere to come out with line of pacemakers. We all agreed that such a happening would cure all our friend's health problems. So now you get the picture, re the type of JD expert, my neighbor was.

I was helping a guy with harvest, about 5 years ago. Blueberry harvesters on the east coast, these normally require 40 to 50 hp for level terrain, but most will have one larger tractor anyhow to do hills and for other heavy work. they use all 4x4 tractors for this. He had traded a Ford 4610 for a new 5xxx Deere. I was operating the large tractor a 90 hp Kubota. The oldest unit was a 45 hp IH. That new Deere was down 60% of the time, most of it transmission-rearend problems. The operator would put that tractor in park, and if much presure one way, he couldn't get it out of park. One of the other tractors would have to hook with chain to get him out of park. In an operation such as this each tractor harvester picks about 100 acres of berries per year. They have about 30 days to do this, thus they want no tractor sidelined, even for a half day. These harvesters are side mounted on tractor with platform on 3 point for cleaning and boxes of berries. You don't change these harvesters from one tractor to another very quickly. After the harvest was over he traded that Deere for another new Deere, same hp, but a lot more money.

You tell me, where does the name Yanmar come into this picture?

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buickanddeere

04-08-2005 11:04:11




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-08-2005 04:07:58  
That's one of those P.O.S 5000, 5010 and 5020 series utility tractors introduced in 1992. Built in Augusta Georgia. The transmissions in the 5000 and 1st portion of 5010 production are just awful. Latter tractors are only terrible. It was 30 years since the last flop with the 2010 diesel. So it was time for the next generation of engineers and executives to learn that lesson over again. This time instead of admitting they made a p.o.c trying to build a economy tractor. And drop it quick before the name and model were tainted any worse as they did with the 2010.. They kept trying to "polish a turd". There is a bunch of senior JD employees that should trade places with the janitorial staff. I'm certain better choices would have been made. I'd purchase a Valtra new instead of any 5000/5010/5020 series. The stinker 5000/5010/5020's have made for good sales of the smaller versions of the Mannheim built 6000/6010/6020 tractors. The JD 5205/5305 look pretty good to me too.They seem to have some engineering dating back to the 55 series. The 20,30,40,50 & 55 series built in Dubuque and Mannheim Germany from the early 1960's to 1992 are in high demand used. The reliability, convenience and resale value is legendary. If you ever find someone with a 2155,2355,2555 or 2755 with M4WD in good shape. And priced cheap, send me an e-mail pronto.

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Hugh MacKay

04-08-2005 13:46:30




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to buickanddeere, 04-08-2005 11:04:11  
buickanddeere: Don't hold your breath,those Dubuque and Mannheim tractors command a permiun everytime. Part that gets me about those 50 and 55 series in the 21, 23, 25, 27 and 29 sizes, where have they all gone. Eastern Canadian farms were loaded with those 12 to 15 years ago. Most have been replaced by newer Deere's on those farms but you can't find used ones in the kind of numbers there should be.

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kyhayman

04-07-2005 17:49:00




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to mikeinWA, 04-07-2005 08:29:19  
If there is a problem with something just call a Canadian dealer and get the parts shipped to you. I've got one grey market Ford 7710, order parts for it, and for other tractors when the parts show up there. For a long time it was worth it for the savings on the exchange rate (my filters were running half price when the US dollar was really strong against the CN dollar). I get almost everything shipped anyway (my 'local' dealer si 45 mins away, UPS is cheaper than diesel) unless its something I 'gotta' have right now.

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Oliver

04-07-2005 14:36:40




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to mikeinWA, 04-07-2005 08:29:19  
Make sure you get a manual and parts book in english and not canadian, a.



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Mike (WA)

04-08-2005 08:23:04




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to Oliver, 04-07-2005 14:36:40  
I got JD manuals for the 710- Repair manual was in English, Parts book was in German- but it really doesn't matter, since you are identifying the part in the picture and ordering by number.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

04-07-2005 15:21:17




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to Oliver, 04-07-2005 14:36:40  
Oliver's message should read:

"Make sure you get a manual and parts book in English and not Canadian, eh?"

Canadians may be quaint and a bit eccentric, but we aren't illiterate. GRIN



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Leroy

04-08-2005 05:20:52




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 04-07-2005 15:21:17  
A large part of Canada speeks French so unless you want a book in French you need to specify English



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Hugh MacKay

04-08-2005 07:00:25




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to Leroy, 04-08-2005 05:20:52  
Leroy: I know what your saying, by the treatment we receive you would think 90% spoke French. Truth is probably less than 25% of us are French. And of that 25% half of them love doing business in the US. I doubt too many Americans bother talking French to them. Then if you take in the entire North American continant; English will be most common, followed by Spanish, with French a distant third. Really bizzare, roughly 400 to 500 million people in North America, and less than 10 million are french.

I really have no problem with French Canadians, can't say I ever met a French Canadian I didn't like. Spent an entire winter at a camp years ago, 52 men, only 4 of them spoke any English and my French is basically Hello, Yes, No and Thankyou.
These boys found out I knew how to play Auction 45. I think I taught 60% of them to play auction that winter. I've seen me at card table with non English speaking French. We played card all evening and enjoyed it.

The problem lies with that handful of French intellectuals, etc. that couldn't give hoot about the economic well being of Canada. We are deprived selection in our stores as some companies feel it is just not worth the bother for bilingual labeling. We even have Canadian companies that market only in the US as a result of this. Nothing wrong with French label or manuals, but it doesn't need to be crammed down everyone's throat. Ever think what this costs the nation.

Just noticed a good one the other day at the Sarnia- Port Huron border crossing. Canadian Customs have some booths labeled Bilingual. My question, how did any French Canadian get into the US in the first place if he couldn't speak english.

I just think it's time we settled down and go with the flow across North America. Forget about all that heritage our ancestors came with. At least don't ask the public to pay for it.

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Leroy

04-08-2005 18:03:47




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-08-2005 07:00:25  
I didn't mean to hit any bad feelings, I just ment to be sure you got the book you could read. A few years ago I bought a older manual thru ebay out of Canada for a piece of machinery and it was printed in both English and French. I live in Ohio and have only been into Canada about 75 Mile outside of Windsor, Ontario but was treated very nice when I was there



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Hugh MacKay

04-08-2005 19:12:42




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to Leroy, 04-08-2005 18:03:47  
Leroy: Thankyou, the sore spot is here, we live it every day. You just give us a chance to vent our frustrations. No one in Canada was any quicker off the mark, trading in the US than the Quebecois. We know damn well you people didn't talk to or correspond with them in French, nor did you put up with bilingual labeling. I have been in your grocery stores and supermarkets, you have far better labelling on contents of products, than we do. Canadian Government feels it is far more important to have bilingual labelling than a complete list of ingrediants. Who the H#$% cares if Hugh MacKay ate a can of peaches with some ingrediant he was allergic to. Yes I have allergies and it is mainly additives. Do you suppose Prime Minister Paul Martin weeps when I lie awake all night, as a result of this. I just wish I could pipe the gas emitted, right in his bedroom window.


I might add, I've been through most of New England States, Quebec and since I moved here to SW Ontario am getting into MI, IN and OH a bit. I must say in all cases, I've found the people friendly and genuine. Then the circle of friends I travel amoung tend to be old iron and farm guys. They are probably the finest kind in every State and Province. It's just that these bunch of intelectuals, college professors, think tank guys, etc. in Quebec, have been holding this country up for ransom, for far too many years. The Canadian Government don't have the balls to stand up to them.

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buickanddeere

04-08-2005 11:21:52




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-08-2005 07:00:25  
. Hugh

I agree with you 100% on this one. The Hundreds of millions spend on Bilingual services across the country yearly for a small pocket of language Ludites in Quebec is a crime. No senior promotions in the armed forces for non French speakers. If applying you just about have to be French language 1st and with a French family name. Stores/businesses in Quebec cannot post signs in English. Then there is all the federal grants and gov't contracts that Quebec gets and the rest of the provinces don't. And how about the current "Ad-Scam. Let alone the 1 billion plus that evaporated into Quebec with the "Human Resources" fraud. Oh if we had ever called their bluff and said go ahead and separate in the 1970's. Every time they want more gov't treats they threaten to separate. Of course Quebec Prime Ministers leading the gov't of the country since the 1960's. They look after their own first. Any Federal Government exposure to the rest of the world suggests 95% of the country is French speaking. Try finding a gov't sponsored Olympic athlete that isn't French? It's just some highly placed opportunists maintaining a power base and cash cow pushing French here. There are far more Italian or Chinese speaking people that French in this country.

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Mike (WA)

04-07-2005 10:37:56




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to mikeinWA, 04-07-2005 08:29:19  
I bought a JD 710 at the consignment auction at Meridian Tractor a while back- My local dealer gave me phone no's of a couple JD dealers in British Columbia- I called them, and they said parts are available for those tractors and they ship same day. Haven't had to buy any parts yet, so haven't been able to test out their story.



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JiminIA

04-07-2005 10:25:59




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to mikeinWA, 04-07-2005 08:29:19  
I just traded off a Jd 3050, which was built in europe, I never had much trouble getting parts forit, I did get a parts book for it. It was the equiv. to a 2955, main difference was fenders and escape hatch in the roof.Afterall most of the deeres parts come from all over the world anyways....Jim



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Riverrat

04-07-2005 10:01:56




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to mikeinWA, 04-07-2005 08:29:19  
I live in North Dakota and own a 1979 2130 John Deere brought in from Manitoba. A couple years back I needed to rebuild the power take off and had to order bearings gears and a countershaft. One part was back ordered and took approximately 2 weeks to receive, but all in all no problem.

The local John Deere dealer in Grand Forks, ND was able to access all diagrams and part numbers in their parts locating system.

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dr.sportster

04-07-2005 08:59:02




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to mikeinWA, 04-07-2005 08:29:19  
You will never find parts.The Canadian tractors are completly fabricated from old hockey pucks.



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cannonball

04-08-2005 05:15:24




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to buickanddeere, 04-07-2005 09:14:06  
look them up on john deere parts..... oh yes you better have a passport before long to go to canada or mexico from what i read.....have nice day may god bless



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sjh

04-07-2005 17:56:54




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to buickanddeere, 04-07-2005 09:14:06  
Those wonderful Sabres as well. Finally a winnings season.



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boler76

04-07-2005 16:40:51




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to buickanddeere, 04-07-2005 09:14:06  
Please my American friends take special precautions with Canadian made anything, They wont stop for coffe and will work way harder than any other. Also note that they will probably start up on their own as soon as the kitchen lite goes on in the morning. Take care



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dr.sportster

04-07-2005 10:01:36




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to buickanddeere, 04-07-2005 09:14:06  
I only tried to pull off that humor because I was born in Kapaskasing.First Stanley Cup missed since the 1919[?] flu epidemic.Mike sorry for the wise guy comment.The connecting rods are lacrosse sticks thats a fact.



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mikeinWA

04-07-2005 09:41:29




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to buickanddeere, 04-07-2005 09:14:06  
I appreciate the sentiment but my local dealer has been providing me with excellent parts and service for 15 years despite the fact that I have never purchased a tractor from them. The toll free numbers you provided have proven useful but even the world headquarters for JD is not willing to claim parts are available. I will try again with serial number in hand. People are weighing in 50/50 on this issue. I am not interested in saving $1000.00 in the short term to end up banging my head against the wall every time I break something. Yes these tractors where manufactured in Germany but my research has led me to believe that some were made for a US market and some were for a Euro market and that there are distinctions between the two. Thanks for the input. Ill know more later.

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meadow1

08-13-2005 11:37:39




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to mikeinWA, 04-07-2005 09:41:29  
I agree some parts in our local dealers books just don't fit. These tractors are different. Their overlapping model numers confuse the best. Over time someone must have thrown the numbers in a hat and then made the books drawing them from the hat. I have 2 different books and have to reference them both.I have noticed the electrical systems are of german design and there for have needless parts installed. I have worked converting Demag electrical systems to North American systems and find the we always have many spare parts. Dollars thrown away.

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buickanddeere

04-07-2005 11:39:05




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to mikeinWA, 04-07-2005 09:41:29  
If the part number is active and in inventory somewhere in some country. Mother Deere will have it on the parts counter within hours or a few days. As for the Mannheim built utility tractors prior to the mid 40 series production shift. It's as easy to get parts for them. As it is to get parts for a European spec 7020 or 8020 series rolling off the line at Waterloo. The Canadian warehouses are not that far from the US should there be something not identical to a US tractor. Mostly the model decals and labels in French. The speedier dog sled parts delivery service has about ended for the six weeks of Canadian summer/black fly season. Delivery is a little longer now coming via birchbark freighter canoes. It's just some funny looking full fenders, turn signals, double seat and optional compressed air supply. Plus high gear is a lively 40 or 60 km/h which is about 25 and 38 mph to be Euro spec. The 10-40 seires Mannheim tractors shipped here were all US spec. Part # plus $$$ and it's yours.

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Indydirtfarmer

04-07-2005 09:40:48




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to buickanddeere, 04-07-2005 09:14:06  
Absolutely correct. Not a THING wrong with those tractors. For the most part, they'll be made of the same exact parts as the U.S. conterparts.

Get the parts manual, and be prepared when you go to the dealer, and there won't be the first problem.

Oh yeah....Anyone got a KPH to MPH conversion chart????



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Dug

04-07-2005 19:08:24




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 04-07-2005 09:40:48  
IDF,

I Googled it, several links available.

Here's one:

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Tom from Ontario

04-07-2005 10:48:21




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 04-07-2005 09:40:48  
.62 miles in a kilometre, so 10 kph is 6.2 mph. All the highways near the border crossings here have basic charts posted. So if you see a highway sign that says 100, it means kph. And if you've got enough horsepower to do a steady 100 mph, the OPP have more and you will be in heap big trouble. Not a bad system, just that it got shoved down our throats when nobody but academics wanted it.



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Hugh MacKay

04-07-2005 18:35:09




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to Tom from Ontario, 04-07-2005 10:48:21  
Tom: When was the last time OPP even looked at anyone doing 120kph. They are not even on the road enough to catch even the guys at 150kph. That is why you see so many MI drivers over here. The MI drivers that like coming to ON are the ones that want to break the law and get away with it.

I can go from here to Toronto 2-3 times per week, do quite a bit of local driving and never see and OPP officer. I go to Detroit once per week, 1-1/4 hour drive from Port Huron, I guarentee I will see at least 6 State Police, 4 Detroit city police and lord knows how many local Sherrifs.

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buickanddeere

04-07-2005 22:13:55




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-07-2005 18:35:09  
Should have told me sooner before I moved. You could have dropped in for a brew. Real Canadian beer, not that watered down American dishwater.



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dr.sportster

04-08-2005 12:00:52




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 Re: Canadian John Deere in reply to buickanddeere, 04-07-2005 22:13:55  
Even Budweiser tastes better in Canada and is 6%.



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