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Jay (ND)

02-19-2005 08:51:16




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Just returned from a whirlwind tour of manufacturing plants.

Went to the Steiger plant in Fargo, ND. They are making the Blues & Reds. I was surprised by how little automation there was and the hodge podge assembly line. Anything steel is done in-house.

Then went to the Bobcat plant in Gwinner, ND. This place impressed me. There was a pile of automation. One bot picking up rods, putting them in a lathe, then putting them in a rack. Another taking it off the rack and pushing bearings on, then onto another rack. Where another takes it off that rack and puts in onto the carriage, etc. They had more of what I would consider a true assembly line. This place puts out about 165 bobcats a day, with 3 full shits Monday thru Saturday, and 2 shifts on Sunday. They employ around 1200 people in a town of 800. I was impressed with the size of the machines, the flexibility they allow their employees and that smoking was allowed just about everywhere. This place is a must see.

We also toured the JD airseeder plant in Valley City. This place had the least automation of the 3 with 1 robot (Bobcat had about 200). This plant, while being by far the newest of the 3, was also the most labor intensive, and some of it being very hard physical labor. I found the plastic molding to be the most interesting. It's done onsite by an outside company.

One thing I was thinking of while touring the Bobcat plant was the post of a few days ago "Calling a spade a spade". It's funny, because everyone I know calls a skidsteer a skidsteer, and this is the birthplace of the Bobcat, lol. Oh, and if you have a new Bobcat on order, be patient, they are 5032 behind as of yesterday.

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The Dukester

02-20-2005 09:24:20




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 Re: Plant tours OT in reply to Jay (ND), 02-19-2005 08:51:16  
Curious thing, a plant that still allows smoking just about everywhere.... First, I used to smoke and where I worked allowed smoking in the work areas then which was 6 years ago....I had quit smoking however after puffing on cigarettes for 40+ years when I retired. When I visited the old workplace 3 years ago smoking was forbidden except in small designated areas inside and outside away from where most people congregated. From what I know now and how much smoking has comprimised my health I wouldn't work in a area where smoking is allowed anywhere for any amount of money. There have to be valid reasons why smoking is allowed in any workplace, but I sure wonder what they could be.....possibly the environment is already so polluted in the area, the presence of tobacco smoke doesn't make much difference or the majority of the employees occupying the work areas demanded that smoking be allowed. Whatever, in my opinion it's shame this condition is allowed, and if management expects prospective employees to accept this they are certainly among very few places that do.

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MarkB_MI

02-20-2005 05:58:57




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 Re: Plant tours OT in reply to Jay (ND), 02-19-2005 08:51:16  
Understand that there are many reasons behind the decision to automate or not automate a plant. Existing labor agreements may prevent the manufacturer from automating a task unless they can find another job for the person doing that task. Also, a human is much more flexible than a machine.

If you were to tour an automotive assembly plant, you'll find that stamping, welding and painting is almost 100 percent automated, while general assembly is pretty much all manual labor.

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Paul in Mich

02-20-2005 16:50:01




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 Re: Plant tours OT in reply to MarkB_MI, 02-20-2005 05:58:57  
Robots may break down, but never go on strike. They do not require maternity leave, 5 weeks vacation per year with 6 personal and 14 sick days paid. They dont draw company pensions, and if they dont do the job, they dont have the A.C.L.U or Union attornys suing on the basis of discrimination. Robots can"t do everything, but companies have learned that they are easier to get along with than some of today"s union workers. Taken to its logical conclusion, if we use an electric drill, a power saw, a pneumatic hammer, or even a hand held calculator, we are using a robot of sorts, and we wouldn"t be without most of those things, because we can do things better, cheaper and faster. If we owned a company, I"m sure we would also use Robots if it served the company. Its called progress. As to the manufacturing processes between Steiger, Bobcat, and John Deere planters, I"d say that since Bobcat is produced in greater numbers and that there are more similar parts to each unit, it makes robotics more feasable than Steiger which is made in small quantities, and at more customer prefered options. Planters are indeed labor intensive as far as assembly. The parts may be made on automatic machinery, but must be assembled mostly by hand labor.

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Easy

02-20-2005 12:50:51




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 Re: Plant tours OT in reply to MarkB_MI, 02-20-2005 05:58:57  
Hi Mark - where ya work - GM here. No smoking anywhere on premise. We have more robots every year. Now a lot of our stock comes in on reusable dunnage and is loaded onto the line by robot. Gm will spend a lot of money to eliminate a job - legacy costs they call it. Easy



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MarkB_MI

02-21-2005 02:56:35




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 Re: Plant tours OT in reply to Easy, 02-20-2005 12:50:51  
Easy,

Suffice it to say that I work at a major auto manufacturer.

If you work at GM, your job security and benefits are probably better they are for employees at thousands of automotive suppliers. They're the ones who suffer the most when the OEMs try to cut costs.



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tlak

02-19-2005 14:46:30




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 Re: Plant tours OT in reply to Jay (ND), 02-19-2005 08:51:16  
''''''the flexibility they allow their employees and that smoking was allowed just about everywhere.''''''''
Just think a couple work related lung diseases and somebody with asthma and it could screw it up for everybody.



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Jeff Oliver

02-19-2005 13:06:33




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 Re: Plant tours OT in reply to Jay (ND), 02-19-2005 08:51:16  
Automation is nice but no always the best way to go. There is a large tire manufacturer in this area that uses alot of manual labor ( Think about 2500-2700 people) They have another facility that is about 80-90% automated. The company decided that the one here would get the build lines up and going and he kinks worked out of them then send the work to the automated company to run because it was much more efficient.

Most of the jobs came back here because the scrap rate at the automated plant was about 15-20% and and the one here had a rate of about 2-7%.

Sometimes having people that can see something wrong and stop and correct it is better than a robot who doesn't care.

At least the machines don't have to stop and eat lunch or dinner though! LOL!

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Davis in SC

02-19-2005 09:57:32




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 Re: Plant tours OT in reply to Jay (ND), 02-19-2005 08:51:16  
Hope you meant 3 full shifts. :^)



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Jay (ND)

02-19-2005 12:55:22




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 Re: Plant tours OT in reply to Davis in SC, 02-19-2005 09:57:32  
OOOPS - sorry about that - new keyboard. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.



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Sam#3

02-19-2005 15:19:07




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 Re: Plant tours OT in reply to Jay (ND), 02-19-2005 12:55:22  
Naw, you washed your hands and can't do a thing with them. :)



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Jim.UT

02-19-2005 11:55:58




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 Re: Plant tours OT in reply to Davis in SC, 02-19-2005 09:57:32  
Sometimes I have 3 full "shifts" per day, too ;)

I'm surprised that made it past Kim's potty filter!



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Kelly C

02-22-2005 09:10:28




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 Re: Plant tours OT in reply to Jim.UT, 02-19-2005 11:55:58  
I was kind of impressed. I am only good for one full one a day. Other wise some one would be in charge of yelling at me to " HEY DROP THE CHAlOOPA!!!"



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Jim.UT

02-22-2005 09:20:56




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 Re: Plant tours OT in reply to Kelly C, 02-22-2005 09:10:28  
Yeah, well, I should have qualified that by saying it only happens on days when I have pancakes and mexican food in the same day!



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brian 1

02-20-2005 20:03:05




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 Re: Plant tours OT in reply to Jim.UT, 02-19-2005 11:55:58  
I figured he was talking about the supervisor for each shift being a sh!t



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