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ETD66SS

01-10-2005 09:45:40




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I own 60+ acres of wooded land, and I need to start thinning it out, and clearing the way for construction.

I need to dig a 2-3 acre pond, knock over small trees, and just move a whole bunch of dirt as the land is somewhat low, and I'll be scraping a lot of topsoil from out back and moving it up front, etc.

I was advised that a JD 450 Crawler Loader would be my best choice. I was initially looking at getting a dozer with a 6 way blade, but I'm starting to think that a crawler loader is a pretty good idea.

I know nothing about crawlers whatsoever. So I will need opinions on what to look for when looking at buying one of these.

I guess my thinking as of now, is a crawler loader with a backhoe would be my dream machine.

I can budget about $10,000 for this machine, whatever it turns out to be...

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Midwest redneck

01-11-2005 02:18:30




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
I will make a comment here. It may be easier to pay $10,000 to a guy with a steel tracked excavator to do this. It would take you all summer or longer to do it and for $10k you wouldnt get much of a machine. Good luck.



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Gary in Geneva

01-11-2005 01:15:29




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
Sorry for the length, I hope this gives you some ideas for handling you property.

We purchased 80 acres in central Florida and had the pine trees thinned. I hired the property roller chopped, a ditch down the center cleaned out and 16’ around the property cleared and a few culverts put in. They used a modified skidder and 10’ tall chopper, and track hoe and a loader for clearing. The east side had a LOT of oak, bay, and hickory trees to clear, and most of the rest of the way there were a lot of pine stumps.

The roller chopping made it so the place was passable on the tractor or on foot. It was expensive but it took care of almost all the 4 – 10’ tall palmettos we had. It took him two weeks to double chop the property and loop all of the small stands of trees that were left. I have completed bush hogging half of the property, in areas that the tractor could not even have driven through before, and we found it very difficult to walk.

The roots on most of the stumps that we had removed challenged even the track hoe they were using. I had thought about trying to remove them with something the size of a Case 580 backhoe – I would still be out there fighting them. They spent almost four weeks doing all of the work we needed. We can now drive around the property with a car or tractor, and it made the fencing easy!

We are still left with several hundred stumps. The advice I have received is to wait till the stumps are good and dry. Take a 55 gallon drum with both ends removed and fill it with wood. Put some bricks under it for air and burn down the stump as far as possible. Cover the remaining stump with dirt and let the ants and termites take care of the rest of it. With it covered I don’t have to worry about it on the tractor or while hogging.

The work we had done was not cheep, but the results were priceless. We recently were able to do a controlled burn on half of the property and that cleaned up a lot of the fuels on the ground, so it will be even easer to keep up with that part of the land Hopefully we can do the same on the other half this year. Fire is a wonderful inexpensive tool.

I have a MF 40B tractor with loader. I am able to make ditches with the back blade, bush hog the land, move dirt with the box blade and loader, pull the pasture choppers, etc. The tractor is very handy and easy and inexpensive to maintain. I have been looking for a nice used backhoe for few $$$ for some of the jobs. I have been looking for 2 years – guess I am not willing to pay what they want for the worn out equipment that I have seen. The tool I have is adequate for most of the jobs that I have left. We will need to have an area root raked and the stumps pulled for the house and yard. We had not decided where we wanted the house(we changed our minds several times as the work was progressing) when we had the other work done, so we will need to have them come back out and do the yard area and a few other jobs to make our life easer.

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leland

01-10-2005 20:48:37




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
Why not spend a few more grand and get a D-7 or 8 in www.autorv.com they have equip priced for the do it your selfers.



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Nat

01-10-2005 19:03:00




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
You have gotten a lot of good opinions, and I'd like to add one more. I have had loaders,dozers,skidsteers, backhoes, and cranes so I feel like I am pretty knowledgable on the subject. A lot has to do with you ability to work on any kind of equipment. Any thing with tracks will do a lot of work, even the AC HD4. I even had on of those, and made a living with it. I have had skid steers for the last several years and the amount of dirt that can be moved in a days time with one will amaze you. Now for my opinion! I would sugest you buy a used backhoe. You can remove a big stump with one quicker than a JD 450 and just dig 6 or 8 out and then push or carry them to a pile, or dig a hole and bury them. Lots of times in the past I just dug the stump out and buried it in the same hole. It will rot out in the future but you can take a tractot w/ a box blade and fill it in then. Yuo can dig a pond with a hoe that you can't get a loader near, may take a little while, but can be done. Back to working on it a hoe is much easier to work on than a tracked machine and most time cheaper to repair. There is a good market for a farm use backhoe so you can resale it and recoup most of your investment, whereas a final drive repair on a tracked machine is going to cost a lot to repair, and the undercarraige will cost almost as much as the used tracked machine cost used. I know that this won't be the most popular idea, but there is a lot of stuff that can be done with a hoe. I set the outriggers and take the hoe bucket and set it 10/12 feet high and push a pretty good sized tree over, then set the hoe down and shift myself over and push the next over. A stump that has allready been cut is tough for a tracked machine because of the loss of leverage, while the hoe will dig around it and pop it out. HTH, Later, Nat

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JK-NY

01-10-2005 17:10:41




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
It sounds like you may have jobs that are varied enough any one machine wont do it all, or at least not well or effiently. Lots of good advice given below, heres my 2ce nts. 1- sounds like if you want a dozer a large older one will do what you want -you could pull one of those dirt pans with it too 2- if you want a pond and the ground is low it may be wet- too wet to push out a pond with a dozer. The only thing worse than a dozer buried in the mud is a big dozer buried in the mud. The pond might be a job for a track hoe and a dozer. 3- I agree it may be more sensible to hire hte work done unless you know what youre doing. A couple sugestions - 1- get a site work contractor to look it over and give you an estimate , if possible break the job into several jobs(clearing trees, grading and moving fill, digging pond) you may decide to do some yourself and hire some and that could help you narrow your machine choice. 2- try to free up a weekend and rent a machine similar to what youre interested in- have some work lined up - see what you can get done . If one machine wont do it all you may find that buying whatever works best for most of your jobs and occaisonally renting other pieces a good way to go. Please remember that allthough many of us have some experience in this area and are trying to offer good advice, non of us has seen your site or knows exactly what it will take to do what you have in mind without seeing the site and knowing more about your plans, abilities and other factors (time ,$$$ etc.)Good Luck JK

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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 17:17:59




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 Good pernts in reply to JK-NY, 01-10-2005 17:10:41  
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John in Ct

01-10-2005 16:11:46




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
Just my thoughts. A 450 is just tooooo small for what you want to do. Concider a bigger machine, an older D-6,D-7, D-8, TD-15, TD-20, Alice Charmis. A lot of times you can buy a bigger machine for a lot less than you think because everybody wants a 450 to play around with. I had a D-7F that I paid $13,000 for many years ago that would have been the ideal machine for what you want to do. Granted it NEEDED WORK ( a gallon of oil a day etc) but I took my time with it and was able to do what I needed to do Also, don't worry about the undercarrage. If you are going to be doing production work, ok maintain it fully to factory specs but if your machine is so so, it should still be able to get your job done. A lot of times it is cheaper to let the whole undercarrage wear out to junk because to maintain it right, you would probably have to replace everything. Example, my pins need turning but now I see that my rollers are worn a lot too, there is lots of wear on the links, my sprockets need to be replaced because they are worn and will now wear the turned pins faster etc. The only downside is when something breaks it will cost $$$$$ to fix. I have had 3 450's and know that they are toys. I got a D4D and it will do atleast twice the work.

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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 15:57:51




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 This hasn't been asked........ in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
Are you planning on doing this clearing in your spare time? Want to do it yourself? Lots of posts below suggest hiring it done. While I agree that would be the fastest and least expensive way to have the job done, you may be wanting to do it all yourself. I understand. I love clearing, cleaning, piling, burning - I'd rather do that than go to the show. And there ain't but one thing I like more than moving dirt and I ain't about to mention it here!

You also mentioned a "conventional tractor" with a front-end loader. I would not suggest that. Although I'd love to have a front end loader, I wouldn't use one on a farm tractor to clear the land. The more you do, the braver you'll get, and before you know it you twisted your loader or torn up your tractor. If you don't mind looking over your shoulder, a heavy rear blade with hyd. tilt and swing will do the job.

You can take off the blade, put on the pan and hual AND PACK dirt on a levee. When you are thru clearing and constructing, you'll still have a tractor to use to use the same equip ment to maintain your place or to work up your garden.

If you don't beat the tractor up to bad doing your clearing, I bet you can get most of the purchase price back out of it, if you want to sell it. Tractors sell like hot cakes. Dozers may not.

Just some thoughts. You can run a tab.

Mitch

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Jonboy

01-10-2005 15:25:32




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
I'd have to agree with some of the others that simply hiring this done would be easier, and also the best way to make sure you end up good results. Sounds to me like your looking for a medium sized crawler, but with just $10,000, you're likey to end up with a piece of junk. The one you mentioned looking at the guy is still using, and sounds like he has use for it, so I'd have to wonder why he wants to get rid of it?.
It would be a whole lot easier and probably cheaper to just hire somebody with the correct equipment to do it all quickly and efficently and be done with it. Either you and your little Ford, or a logger and a skidder to clear the trees, then have a dozer come in a clean off the stumps, then have a backhoe/trackhoe to come in and dig your pond. They'd probably have everything done by spring and you'd end up with a professional job. Most of these guys are very reasonable as there are alot of people out there with skidders, dozers, backhoes/trackhoes, and all trying to make a living doing what they do best, but because there are so many people trying to do the same thing, that means cheap rates for their customers, yeah they may get $35-$50 an hour( may be alittle more now since I haven't had any backhoe work done recently), but look at the cost of buying a machine that turns out to be junk. Lets see, if you had to replace that $2,700 part that he just did, you could have hired someone for $50 an hour, and had 54 hours of work done for that price, then if you had figured in the $4,800 price of the machine, you could hire someone for 150 hours, then if anything else went wrong, then thats even more money. and if you were to spend the whole $10,000, that would buy you 200hrs worth of hired work at $50 an hour, and others have already pointed out that good operators can do many many times more than a greenhorn in a given amount of time, and if it breaks, then it's their problem and not yours. Thats what others have been trying to point out to you.
Hope this helps

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ed1

01-10-2005 13:27:45




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
How fast do you want to get this done?

You need something with some power and traction. Skid loaders and even the 80hp tractors will be some what limited with front end loaders that top out in the 3,000 to 4,000 lift capacity range. Yes you can dig out a fairly large tree with one of these but it will take it's toll and beat up the machine. If you were taking down a few trees this would be the way to go - but 60 acres is a lot and a building 2-3 acre pond you're talking some big machinery

You need to go with a Payloader or track loader. Pay loaders can easily lift 5,000 lbs or more with the loader (I'm not talking about the toy ones)and have a much heaver loader frame and bucket. The Payloader option might be better but a track loader (again not a toy) will ger the job done.

A place I'm associated with did some land clearing last year and the year before and it cost them about $10,000 per acre to cut down all the trees, pull up all the stumps and gring it all up. When they were done they had level ground and several large piles of wood chips.

$10K will go fast even if you dont grind up the stumps.

I'd go with a really big payloader.

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ETD66SS

01-10-2005 14:44:55




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ed1, 01-10-2005 13:27:45  
My brother told me about a guy who is moving and nees to sell his payloader.

I looked at is as I drove by, and noticed it had tires, was not a track loader.

Maybe I'll go take a more serious look at it.

I'm not convinced a conventional tractor with front loader is going to do what I need to do...

Any reccomendations on a payloader?



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ed1

01-10-2005 16:50:10




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 14:44:55  
Tractors I can help you out with but not all that familuar with payloaders. Michigan, Volvo, Case, John Deer, Cat all seem good but I would ask other to offer their help.

I also agree with John in CT, don't go with the small stuff you need something big. Something that will hit a tree and take it out in one shot.

Think of it this way just - If you just clear the land for the pond your ahead even if you junk the machine.

Good Luck - let us know how you make out.

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kyhayman

01-10-2005 12:57:51




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
Have you considered a big skid loader with tracks? Something along the line of an 1845C Case or others in the mid 60 HP class. While it would not have quite the umph of a dozer or track loader you would have the ability to rent a lot of attachments such as a trencher,backhoe, etc as you needed them. For the money you plan to spend you can get a really good one (I spent $6000 on mine)as opposed to a worn out track loader.

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brian 1

01-10-2005 11:46:58




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
Head over to the crawler forum and search for some posts from Seann or ask the same type of question. Seann is doing exactly what you are asking about. Good Luck.



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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 11:05:29




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 Handle question, . . . in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
You wouldn't just happen to be a proud owner of a 1966 Essex Tri-Directional Super Sport, would you?

Indydirtfarmer and Sloroll have heard about them I know.

Just curious,
Mitch



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Loren-MN

01-10-2005 13:54:54




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 Re: Handle question, . . . in reply to Mitchissippi, 01-10-2005 11:05:29  
I had (and I emphasize)had a 66 Olds 442, 68 Chev Impala SS 327 (350 hp), 69 Chevelle SS 396, and a 73 ElCamino SS 454. Wish I had them all back. Loren-MN
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ETD66SS

01-10-2005 11:36:56




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 Re: Handle question, . . . in reply to Mitchissippi, 01-10-2005 11:05:29  
"You wouldn't just happen to be a proud owner of a 1966 Essex Tri-Directional Super Sport, would you?"

I'm restoring a 1966 Chevelle SS396...

I've spent $$$$$$ on that thing, and it's still not done!



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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 11:44:29




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 Re: Handle question, . . . in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 11:36:56  
"I'm restoring a 1966 Chevelle SS396...

I've spent $$$$$$ on that thing, and it's still not done!"


And you're moanin about dozer prices . . .

You need to join us over on Tales - I we pass a credit card around over there.

College professor had a 66 SS. That is one sweet car! If I ever get thru with tractors, I'm gonna do a car.

Mitch



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Sloroll

01-10-2005 11:49:15




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 Re: Handle question, . . . in reply to Mitchissippi, 01-10-2005 11:44:29  
Oh Mitch Them two cuties of yours are goina keep daddy so poor! Of course you can let their no account boyfriends keep the cobs burned out.

My good friend in highschool had a 66SS Whew! I still am in love with that car. Kind of an ice blue color. I had a 71 Impalla four door I nicked named "Booger eater" I would have rather had the SS Hey ETD66SS can you post a picture of yours???



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ETD66SS

01-10-2005 14:41:25




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Sloroll

01-10-2005 14:51:04




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 Re: Handle question, . . . in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 14:41:25  
Sweet ride! Thanks for the look!



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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 11:53:27




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 Slo, . . . in reply to Sloroll, 01-10-2005 11:49:15  
If I could put what I'm spending on diapers and Barbie dolls toward their ride, I could easily buy them an SS by the time they get their licences.



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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 10:51:00




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
When we aquired the 45 acres I live on, we pondered the same question. A small dozer was the first thought. Then a backhoe. We ended up buying a 1066 tractor, a 5 yard dirt pan, and an 8 foot hydraulic rear blade. We haven't got $12,000 in all 3 pieces. You'd be amazed at how big a tree I can uproot with that rear blade - given plenty of time. It'll grade roads and pull ditches, pile brush, . . . The dirt pan is the handiest thing we've ever had. Given time, you can move a butt-load of dirt with it. 100 h.p. IH's are inexpensive and parts are readily availible for you while you tune in on that "this ain't no bulldozer" line of thinking. IT AIN'T NO BULLDOZER. But it's a heck of a lot cheaper to run if all you're gonna put it in is small stuff.

I've even picked up enough custom work to pay for the blade and the dirt pan. And I can hit the road without a lowboy.

I'm happy with this arrangement. Sounds like you're in about the same situation.

Now if I was planning on clearing that 60 acres next week and rolling sod out on it the next week, I'd hire my a couple of D-6's and a hoe.

I agree with what IDF and Sloroll told you.

This advice is worth 10 times what you gave for it.

Mitch

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mud

01-10-2005 15:02:30




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to Mitchissippi, 01-10-2005 10:51:00  
what is the make of your dirt pan? how much did you pay for it?

also - did you use a hydraulic toplink, or is the blade hydraulically controlled for angle too?

thanks- mud



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Bob seND

01-10-2005 13:26:22




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to Mitchissippi, 01-10-2005 10:51:00  
What is a dirt pan?
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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 13:43:25




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 Hera, is my dirt pan in reply to Bob seND, 01-10-2005 13:26:22  
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or dirt bucket, if your in the delta.

Basically just a pull scraper. Mines a 5 cubic yard. Bigger 4wds can pull 2 17 c.y. pans.



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dhermesc

01-10-2005 11:05:12




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to Mitchissippi, 01-10-2005 10:51:00  
I agree with the 1066 idea. The trac loader-dozer can get expensive in a big hurry. We built miles of terraces and a couple ponds with our 1466 & dozer blade.



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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 11:14:03




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to dhermesc, 01-10-2005 11:05:12  
I ain't saying it's the perfect machine for the job, but we do all kinds of work with ours.

Around here, the older 100 hp tractors have kinda fallen between the cracks - too small for the big farms - too big for the truck patches. Makes it just right for the feller who needs a multi-purpose, low priced tractor and ain't afraid of low limbs.



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old

01-10-2005 10:39:32




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
Biggest problem with them in what it takes to keep them up. I know I have had many of them, and stil do have a couple. If and when something brakes it takes big $$ to fix. I have to buy a hose for my Cat 950 2 foot long and I'm looking at $150 just for a hyd hose. But on the other hand they are nice to own also, if you have an hour here or there to play you can get a lot done. Now with that said you need to learn what to look for in a machine thats worth buying. Tracks rollers etc need to be good, clutches drive etc. If you havent been arounf them find some one that has been its easy to spend a lot of money on junk when it comes to a dozer. Been there done that. And yes a loader type will do more then just a plain dozer.

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Sloroll

01-10-2005 10:03:40




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 09:45:40  
Well... Been there. How much work would $10K hire done? Sounds like money tossed away I know but the initial cost of a crawler is the tip of the iceburg. They are spendy and heavy machines to maintain. If you have a lot of your own time I sugest you buy, use then sell a near new machine. I have seen way to many people start up with this idea and have to hire someone to clean up their mess. A good dozer man can do in a day what a beginner can do in a month and the pond will hold water too. JMHO I usaully don't respond negatively to an iron purchase and crawlers are cool and fun but they seem to me to be something either you are really serious about long term usage, or to play with. The inbetweens seem to end up behind barns waiting for eventual salvage. Probably I'll get a lot of negative feed back on this but really I am trying to look out for your best interest. Get a quote. Think hard on what you are willing and capable of doing. After the big work is done and you want a crawler to keep things up I think that'd be cool. Good luck to you what ever you decide! Bill

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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 10:55:50




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to Sloroll, 01-10-2005 10:03:40  
I agree with you Bill. 10 grand will buy a big ole tractor, a front blade, and an extry front axle (just in case). PLUS, you can use your tractor for way more jobs than a dozer.

Mitch



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Indydirtfarmer

01-10-2005 10:15:59




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to Sloroll, 01-10-2005 10:03:40  
You won't get negative feedback from me, Sloroll! In fact, I was thinking the exact same thoughts. Another "option" would be to lease equipment, if you're bound and determined to run it yourself. (Most lease companies will require you to have liability insurance) But after having several "hands on" experiences with dozers, and land clearing, you're money ahead to hire it done.

When you're talking a dozer and/or a back-hoe, $10,000 isn't a large sum of money....John

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ETD66SS

01-10-2005 10:28:46




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 01-10-2005 10:15:59  
Well,

This is a long term project.

I"m not the kind to hire ppl to do things of this nature for me.

I understand where you guys are coming from, and you"re looking out for my best interest, etc...

I know $10,000 is not a lot, but... I went and looked at an Allis Chalmers HD4 this weekend, the guy wanted $4500, I could probably get it for less than $4000.

I"m just trying to get as many opinions as I can.

Renting/Leasing are not options, this work will be done by me, on my time schedule. I expect to have this crawler/dozer/whatever for a very long time.

I thank you guys for your opinions!

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Gary Hunt

04-08-2005 14:58:57




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 10:28:46  
I have a 1969 or 1970, not sure which year, AC HD-4 with full ROPS, full grouser tracks, a winch and 4-in-1 bucket. It is an ex U.S.Army Corps of Engineers machine It has about 285 hours on a new rebuilt engine. I was told it spent it's entire Army career on Ft. Hunter-Ligget in central California. It runs perfect and is in good condition, everything works. I use it for brush clearing and repairing my dirt road. I have pretty much finished with it and would consider selling.

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Mike M

01-10-2005 10:39:14




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 10:28:46  
I don't know about the parts availabilty of those AC machines,but that price sounds good if it runs good. I do like a crawler loader for clearing trees and brush and digging stumps. I have never ran one with a 4 in 1 bucket but they should make them more usefull and would be a nice option to have.



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ETD66SS

01-10-2005 10:57:54




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to Mike M, 01-10-2005 10:39:14  
Well, I looked at that HD4 (early 70's) and it looked too small for my needs... It's a 5 TON dozer.

He just rebuilt something on one side of the UC (somethign to do with steering), cost him $2700. Something to do with the steering...

He has the dozer currently on a blacktop job, so it's in use, not sitting in a field...

Says the brakes on one side need to be replaced.

I have no clue, that's why I'm here. I need to get educated. So if any of you have any books or websites to reccomend, plz feel free...

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RustyFarmall

01-10-2005 11:15:25




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 10:57:54  
I don't know of any books, but you are already at the best site there is for learning about tractors and how to use them. What the others have already said is very true. Any crawler tractor can, and will, be very expensive to maintain, and also can be somewhat difficult to sell when you decide you are done with it. A wheeled tractor in my opinion is a much better investment.



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ETD66SS

01-10-2005 11:32:14




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-10-2005 11:15:25  
"A wheeled tractor in my opinion is a much better investment"

What do you suggest?

I have 100's if not 1000 or more stumps that will need to be uprooted.

I used a ford 3400 with a front loader for this task b4, it was a nightmare, just not enough power.

I'd hate to beat up a backhoe doing that kind of work...

Basically growing up, I've had the experience using 9N's, 8N's and that 3400 3 cyl diesel, and I can't see anything like that enabling me to efficiently do the work I want to do.

We beat the hell out of my fathers 9N digging our small 80 x 80 ft pond when I was a kid...

I need to dig a 2-3 acre pond for drainage & landscape purposes, probably about 20 ft deep max.

I understand the whole UC $$$$ thing...

I guess if you guys can make some alternative machine suggestions, I'd appreciate them.

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RustyFarmall

01-10-2005 11:50:02




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 11:32:14  
With that many stumps to clear you might want to reconsider hiring the job done, but on the other hand, if you have never had experience with anything bigger than a 9N, 8N, or 3400, then you probably just are not aware of what something like the IH 1066 mentioned is capable of doing. It's kind of like comparing apples to oranges. I don't mean to run down the Fords either, they are a very good tractor for what they were intended to do. If you really like the Fords, I might suggest you look for a good 9700 or maybe a TW30?

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Sloroll

01-10-2005 11:40:06




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to ETD66SS, 01-10-2005 11:32:14  
Mitchissippi really did hit the nail on the head. Make sure you can get parts, see what is supported locally (I often say that the best machine isn't worth anything if service and parts aren't available) and put your nose to it. I am almost 100 percent certain that you will be happier (or less agrivated) in the long run. I once did most of what you are talking about with a IH 300U. I am still using that tractor. My father in law bought a dozer and can't keep water in his pond and now is stuck with a machine no one will buy and to much $$ invested to junk. Again and honestly, good luck. Self relience gives a lot of satisfaction at the end of a job well done.

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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 11:48:55




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 Re: I need an all purpose machine in reply to Sloroll, 01-10-2005 11:40:06  
I'd much rather build a pond levee with a tractor and dirt pan than a dozer. You may need a dozer to pull the tractor out of the bowl a coupla times, but a loaded dirt pan will pack the levee WAY better than a dozer.



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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 11:18:43




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 Yep, . . . in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-10-2005 11:15:25  
This place is a wealth of information.


just don't bring up buicks - get 'em all bent out of shape.



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Indydirtfarmer

01-10-2005 11:22:33




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 Now you went and done it!!!!!!!!1 in reply to Mitchissippi, 01-10-2005 11:18:43  
Who said you could talk about Buicks? This is a tractor/truck/politics/religion/hot air balloon/stray cat/cell phone website, and there's no room for discusions about auto repair.....Just take your nonsense elsewhere!



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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 11:39:19




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 Re: Now you went and done it!!!!!!!!1 in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 01-10-2005 11:22:33  
How about toy tractors. Can we talk about toy tractors? Huh? Can we?

Y'all see the game last night?



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Sloroll

01-10-2005 11:21:47




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 Re: Yep, . . . in reply to Mitchissippi, 01-10-2005 11:18:43  
Or variable speed transmitions



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RustyFarmall

01-10-2005 11:30:00




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 Re: Yep, . . . in reply to Sloroll, 01-10-2005 11:21:47  
Didn't the ETD have a variable speed transmission? Or was it just shiftless?



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Mike (WA)

01-10-2005 12:14:27




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 Re: Yep, . . . in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-10-2005 11:30:00  
Boys, boys- you know the rules. However, when I saw the original poster's handle, I knew it was only a matter of time before the thread took this turn.



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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 11:35:51




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 My uncle's . . . . in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-10-2005 11:30:00  
over in Alabama, had a 4 in the floor and a 5th under the seat.



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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 11:34:15




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 Re: Yep, . . . in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-10-2005 11:30:00  
Seems like it had a Trip-Range. Kinda like a roulette wheel.



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Van in AR

01-10-2005 11:45:35




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 Re: Yep, . . . in reply to Mitchissippi, 01-10-2005 11:34:15  
No it had a bi directional with a tri directional slider planatery spurs assembly.
Van



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Sloroll

01-10-2005 11:50:14




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 Re: Yep, . . . in reply to Van in AR, 01-10-2005 11:45:35  
I like Spurs.



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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 11:56:56




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 Hmmm , . . . in reply to Sloroll, 01-10-2005 11:50:14  
wonder if momma kept my Red Rider spurs . . .

wonder if they'd fit my boots now . . .

wonder if ol' Rover ever slowed down . . .



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RustyFarmall

01-10-2005 11:54:14




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 Re: Yep, . . . in reply to Sloroll, 01-10-2005 11:50:14  
YEE-HAAA, ride em cowboy



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Mitchissippi

01-10-2005 11:50:11




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 Van, . . . in reply to Van in AR, 01-10-2005 11:45:35  
I think you're right.



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