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Van in AR

12-06-2004 18:42:09




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Have a 1995 Ford F-150 that the oil pressure is fluxing on, I havent seen this before. Has a tick in the engine, oil level is full and the radiator was low. If the engine is accelerated the oil pressure goes to zero on the gage, let off and it returns to normal, seems lifters are pecking during this, may start tommorow and it wont do it, any ideas. Thanks in advance.
Van




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RN

12-09-2004 17:00:46




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 Re: O T Ford oil pressure fluxes in reply to Van in AR, 12-06-2004 18:42:09  
302 engine? 351? Some heavy hauling? High miles? Ford symptoms- check oil pump as sugested with direct gauge. Possible time to check crank and bearings. Ford has service bearings available for crank wear about .005 inch. GM might have spot welded bearing to journal and thrown rod through block already. 302 also check rear main seal. RN.



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super77mi

12-07-2004 11:26:14




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 Re: O T Ford oil pressure fluxes in reply to Van in AR, 12-06-2004 18:42:09  
add 2 qts diesel fuel into oil. run engine till fully warm.
drain your oil. remove the filter.
put a blow gun into the oil passage into the filter.
blow air while slowly cranking engine. this will clean the junk off your pickup screen, silicone, gasket paper, timing gear debris, something is blocking your pump pick up, very common, you may have to filter the oil/fuel and do it twice, but you will find in the bottom your drain pan the problem before long.

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txblu

12-07-2004 10:06:02




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 Re: O T Ford oil pressure fluxes in reply to Van in AR, 12-06-2004 18:42:09  
Supporting the other threaders on this subject:

Only saw one engine that had fluctuating oil pressure. It was a Mack bobtail trash truck with about 500k miles. As the engine rotated, the not so worn parts would pass by the very worn parts and as they did the pressure would drop and return for the other part of the cycle. Ticking is low oil pressure in lifters caused probably by worn pistons therein.

Stepping on the gas forces the engine bearings against one worn out side of the respective crank or camshaft leaving a large space on the other side allowing for more oil to excape as compared to when you let off and let the crank/cam center.

My advice; get an engine overhaul. Your truck has earned it.

Mark

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jhill

12-07-2004 06:36:49




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 Re: O T Ford oil pressure fluxes in reply to Van in AR, 12-06-2004 18:42:09  
If the lifters are ticking you have low oil pressure. Not pressur enought to get oil to them. Install a mechanical gage but probably going to have to go into engine. Most likely worn bearings.



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Allan in NE

12-07-2004 04:32:55




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 Re: O T Ford oil pressure fluxes in reply to Van in AR, 12-06-2004 18:42:09  
Hi Van,

Like the others have said, put a mechanical gauge on it to verify your actual pressure.

But, I think you have a gauge problem rather than a pressure glitch. It almost sounds as though the sender was meant for a system that was equipped with a warning light instead of a gauge.

If you are sure it is the correct sender, perhaps the wiper is bad and the circuit is going open when the pressure comes up at 'off idle'.

Allan

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big fred

12-07-2004 07:44:26




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 Re: O T Ford oil pressure fluxes in reply to Allan in NE, 12-07-2004 04:32:55  
Allan, Ford changed over from pressure senders to pressure switches over 20 years ago. They have a resistor in the gauge circuit so that they can still use the gauge. Gauges make people feel like they are "in control", but it's functioning like an idiot light. You can put a real pressure sender in the system, but you gotta remove the resistor, which is soldered to the instrument cluster circuit board.

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Tom in TN

12-06-2004 23:37:34




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 Re: O T Ford oil pressure fluxes in reply to Van in AR, 12-06-2004 18:42:09  
Van,

I think that Big Fred is right on with his idea of installing a mechanical oil pressure guage at least temporarily to see whether the oil pressure is actually dropping or not.

When I was young and doing a fair bit of mechanic work, your symptoms were considered to be classic signs of worn thrust bearings on the crankshaft. The theory that my "shade tree" mechanic buddies and I had was that the crankshaft thrusted to the rear of the engine when accelerating and then settled back to the middle of the thrust bearing range when it reached a less stressful point of operation. When it was thrusted to the rear, the oil would escape around the bearings rather than being forced through the oil passages in the crankshaft, thus reducing the oil pressure.

Who knows whether our theory was right or not, but I do know that I saw excessive bearing wear in engines that exhibited this symptom.

Good luck,

Tom in TN

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george md

12-06-2004 21:52:46




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 Re: O T Ford oil pressure fluxes in reply to Van in AR, 12-06-2004 18:42:09  
Van, I think one of two possibilities, most likely sump screen is plugged and the pump can get enough oil at idle,but screen will not pass enough at higher RPM. Or the bearings are well worn , that usually shows near 100k on trucks with fuel inj and that have pulled trailer or done other work rather than be used as a car. george



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MarkB_MI

12-06-2004 19:47:21




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 Re: O T Ford oil pressure fluxes in reply to Van in AR, 12-06-2004 18:42:09  
Sounds like it might be a faulty sending unit. Your ears could be playing tricks on you when the pressure gage drops. Take a look at the sender and see if it's leaking. If it is, what could be happening is that the pressure indicates good as long as oil can leak out of the switch as fast as it leaks past the diaphragm. Once you rev the engine up, a leaky sender will indicate zero pressure because it fills up with oil and the pressure is the same on both sides of the diaphragm.

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big fred

12-06-2004 19:08:09




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 Re: O T Ford oil pressure fluxes in reply to Van in AR, 12-06-2004 18:42:09  
Your oil pressure gauge only has two positions, "pressure" or "no pressure". It's just a pressure switch, Ford stopped putting pressure senders in vehicles when their research showed that the available pressure senders were one of the highest-failure-rate parts in the engine. So if your gauge is fluctuating, you have barely enough pressure to safely operate, I'd advise taking out the pressure switch and putting a mechanical pressure gauge in there while you diagnose the problem, that way you will know exactly how much pressure you got. Also try changing your oil and replacing the filter so you know the filter isn't the problem.

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c.marshall

12-08-2004 08:54:44




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 Re: O T Ford oil pressure fluxes in reply to big fred, 12-06-2004 19:08:09  
Had the same problen.With the oil gauge droping to near o when engin went to idel and slowley going up about half way upon excelatrion. Removed the sending unit that is next to the oil filter.Washed it out with gass,then used my cutting torch tip clesning tools.I then incresed the size of the hole about three sizes.now it showes the original pressur all the time.just another shade tree's poor boy problem solver. c.m. trees

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