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OF: Can corn or soybeans be the crop of the future

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7720future

12-06-2004 08:01:42




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I would like to have your opinion on this and any other comments on the future crops for the US. Why and or Why not?


Please email me.


Thanks


Justin




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JMOORE

12-06-2004 15:39:54




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 Re: OF: Can corn or soybeans be the crop of the fu in reply to 7720future, 12-06-2004 08:01:42  
SYNTHETIC CORN



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Dug

12-06-2004 14:56:10




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 Re: OF: Can corn or soybeans be the crop of the fu in reply to 7720future, 12-06-2004 08:01:42  
Interesting question and while I am not a subject matter expert, I know there is tremendous research curently underway on alternative fuel prospects derived from agricultural crops. I am certain there are numerous individuals on this forum that could provide interesting information on the possibilities under study. Might be enlightening to have a few posts on this order.

Dug



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paul

12-06-2004 15:44:09




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 Re: OF: Can corn or soybeans be the crop of the fu in reply to Dug, 12-06-2004 14:56:10  
Minnesota is leading the way on fuels - 10% ethanol has been mandated in gasoline for many years, and 2% bio diesel will start in 2005, ramping up to 7 or 10% over time.

Many stations are selling E-85, could fill a tank about every 50 miles around the southern part of Minnesota. It is 85% ethanol, 15% gasoline, and costs about 10-15 cents a gallon less than regular.

If we can get all that to work in our harsh climate, it should work anywhere. :)

We have a large number of farmer-owned ethanol plants, so much so that the rail roads have noticed the decrease in traffic. We are using the corn internally, not having to ship it out.

Also, it has made a big market for DDGS, which is the high - protien 'waste' left from distilling. Makes a great suppliment for cattle/ dairy. It even gets exported to other coutries as feed.

As the oil is used from soybeans to make biodiesel, there will be a lot of protien suppliments, perhaps a shortage of oils. The cash flow of these components and crops may change.

Corn can also produce oil, tho of course beans are a lot better.

Beets & potatoes can make a lot of sugar, which is what ethanol is. However, they just don't fit the big picture as well for long term storage, adaptability to different soils/ climates, and they are 'fussy' crops, with lots of high-dollar inputs to grow.

While their may be an increase in those crops, it won't take over corn....

--->Paul

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rustyfarmall

12-06-2004 09:48:12




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 Re: OF: Can corn or soybeans be the crop of the fu in reply to 7720future, 12-06-2004 08:01:42  
Several years ago I thought that mashed potatoes would be the crop of the future. What I never figured out was how to grow the gravy to go along with them.



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paul

12-06-2004 08:25:02




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 Re: OF: Can corn or soybeans be the crop of the fu in reply to 7720future, 12-06-2004 08:01:42  
You aske this question before, you got some answers over at the 'using your tractor' section.

Corn & soybeans are the crops of the present, so Idon't know that you can call them the crop of the future? They will continue to be the important ones for quite some time to come. But perhaps something else will emerge that will take it's place as a major crop.

Soybeans are currently declining a bit, as certain pests and a yield level has hit them. Corn on the other hand seems to be growing in strength.

No one can email you as long as you keep your email blocked. Besides, discussion forums are more about all of us learning & talking about an issue, not just private emails to one person.

Come on back and discuss with us. :) your question is so broad, it is difficult to know what kind of info you really want.

--->Paul

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7720future

12-06-2004 14:27:07




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 Re: OF: Can corn or soybeans be the crop of the fu in reply to paul, 12-06-2004 08:25:02  
What are your opinions on future "go to" crops?


What are your opinions on future "money making crops"?


or


Your opinion on crops that will continue to be the crop to plant or the crop to turn to?


"thinking outside the box helps" teachers say to do that more



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kyhayman

12-06-2004 19:11:47




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 Re: OF: Can corn or soybeans be the crop of the fu in reply to 7720future, 12-06-2004 14:27:07  
I'm with paul on this, corn will continue to be the mainstay of American agriculture. Its all about markets and uses. Individual farms may meet a local need for something like squash, tomatoes, mint, dill, flowers, etc. Fiber crops, hemp, kenaf lack infrastructure and would, at best be another commodoty crop. Hay and forages face the bulk transportation issue (ruminant animal feed due to volume gets expensive fast when shipped).

You have to look at the end use of anything to determine demand (I am a dedicated believer in reverse engineering). We live in a western post-modern economy. Population growth is flat (and declining in some western economies). Expanded production must have a market. Our greatest need is renewable fuels. We have more than enough to eat (hence our societal weight problem). Someone else will have to eat what we produce or we have to export it. To export it, it has to either suplant someone elses exports (with higher quality or lower prices) or it has to go to feed calorie deficient parts of the world (and they dont have enough money to buy what we produce. That brings us back to domestic markets and the things we a deficient in. Once again, energy for fuel tops the list.

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paul

12-06-2004 15:33:32




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 Re: OF: Can corn or soybeans be the crop of the fu in reply to 7720future, 12-06-2004 14:27:07  
What is your email address? I didn't think you would be checking back here, from the way you wrote your first set of messages. Glad to see you back to discuss it.

I think corn, beans, wheat will be the money crops for some time to come. Corn is king, and will remain so. We are learning how to better process it into what we need - corn siryp sugar, ethanol, DDGS, and so on, broken down into components that industry & food giants use. This used to be the domain of soybeans, but in the last 25 years they have learned to process corn into components as well. Corn yields & dependability continue to go up, up, up. We have gotten a handle on pest control in corn. For now.

For all that, corn is the crop of the present & the future.

Soybeans are faultering, they are having pest pressure from aphids & now the rust issue - already sudden death syndrom, iron chlyrosis (did I ever mention I can't spell?) and other problems that haven't been well addressed. They already have hit a brick wall on yield, seems breeders have gotten into adding GMO stuff to them rather than continuing to enhance yield. Added all together and soybeans have had their high point. If no breakthroughs on how they are bred or used, they are as good as they get and will receed some. I will say specifically they are _not_ the crop of the future, as your question implies. Soybeans will be a filler crop to rotate with other things.

Wheat feeds people, but it doesn't feed livestock. They have pest problems as well. Wheat will be king on the dry areas where corn doesn't grow. But it will be second to corn at least.

New crops? Agriculture in the USA is breaking into 2 groups - big efficient, huge, & cheap (corn, beans, wheat).

Or, small nitche farming, organic or a specialty crop that fills a local need. Or a farmers market approach, where you charge more for your product but spend as much time cultivating customers as you do cultivating your crop, and sell yourself as well as the product for a premium.

I believe that is agriculture of the future, but not one specific crop will emerge from that.

Corn is king. Should be for some time to come.

--->Paul

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7720future

12-06-2004 21:18:20




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 Re: OF: Can corn or soybeans be the crop of the fu in reply to paul, 12-06-2004 15:33:32  
Sorry about the first post. I was in a little hurry and forgot to include the email. This is the last post I will have on the subject. Just wanted more opinions for the presentation dure on Friday.

Thanks



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paul

12-07-2004 07:59:31




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 Re: OF: Can corn or soybeans be the crop of the fu in reply to 7720future, 12-06-2004 21:18:20  
You were in such a hurry, it has been difficult to understand what type of info you are seeking. :)

Don't understand why you asked people to email you, but you have never, ever, openned up your email for access....

Good luck with the paper.

--->Paul



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7720future

12-07-2004 09:05:25




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 Re: OF: Can corn or soybeans be the crop of the fu in reply to paul, 12-07-2004 07:59:31  
justinjohn84@hotmail.com is the email
I should get an email unless hotmail blocks it.

I have recieved email confirmation before from ytmag.

Dont know why it doesn't work for someone else.



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