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Another tractor accident...why?

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Rauville

11-07-2004 14:29:12




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Just saw the news report on a tractor / train accident. You have to ask yourself...why?

"11/07/2004
Girl Dies In Tractor-Train Crash A 9-year-old girl is dead following a tractor-train crash in southwest Minnesota.
It happened at eleven o'clock Saturday morning.
A tractor driven by Jonathan Pxx struck a train one mile north of Hills.
The girl was a passenger on the tractor.
Pxx was taken to a Sioux Falls hospital."

Here's a link to the story:

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Paul in Ontario

11-08-2004 07:40:22




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 Re: Another tractor accident...why? in reply to Rauville, 11-07-2004 14:29:12  
A good friend and neighour died in a train tractor collison a few years back. It is terrible thing that it happens, an their were a number of factors that hepled cause it. ( an unguarded crossing, the road and the crossing intersect at an angle and a bend ) In my opinion, the biggest factor was the fact it happened during the planting season. We rush to get things done, break downs, weather , second jobs, and small/ large acerages to get palnted. This has our mind going a mile a minute. We become distracted , cut corners or we do not give the task we are doind 100% attention. My heart goes out to the family, as it still does for my friend Dennis> I will think of him every day as I go over that very rail crossing.

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Brian in NY

11-08-2004 06:04:29




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 Re: Another tractor accident...why? in reply to Rauville, 11-07-2004 14:29:12  
Here's is a thought for all those who are quick to judge this unfortunate soul for this accident. How do you know that this feller wasn't a fellow YT cronie? He might be on here posting all the time, and in the midst of his recovery he might peruse these forums and find this thread. How do you think he would feel, in the midst of his grief and pain to see your reactions? I don't condone anybody putting children in harms way. But accidents happen. People have lapses in judgement. You can bet this old boy ain't ready to pass judgement on another man, cause it might be me next time. I personally do allow my kids to have a short ride on the tractors from time to time. But I take a lot of time before, during and after explaining just how dangerous these machines are and do not allow ANY deviation from the strict rules. I agree that children have to be exposed to the machinery and be knowledgable about them so that in the event they are around someone else's machinery they know how to behave. You can't shelter a child from the world but you can teach them safety and responsibility and respect. Just my $.02.

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Rauville

11-08-2004 04:49:33




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 Re: Here's the complete story. in reply to Rauville, 11-07-2004 14:29:12  
Here's the story on that tragic accident from the Sioux Falls Argus Leader today.



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NC Wayne

11-07-2004 20:07:08




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 This is my opinion, who's in agreement? in reply to Rauville, 11-07-2004 14:29:12  
Ok guys I know I'm gonna stir up a can of worms here but I've got to say it. I know this was a tragic event and I don't mean to downplay that one bit, but the fact that a child was killed is not the point in this story and should not be made such. The point here is that based on the info provided this was no "accident" the tractor operator did something stupid and crashed into a train. For all we know the girl in question was in a safety seat and just happened to be on the side the train hit and the operator simply "got lucky" if you want to call it that. For me knowing that I did something stupid (like running into a train) that got a child killed and then surviving myself to go through life knowing the consequenses of my stupidity wouldn't, in my opinion, be all that lucky. Like many posts say most of us grew up riding on tractors with our parents, grandparents, etc, yet many posts state that they never let their kids ride with them. Let me ask this, if you never road on a tractor growing up where would you have learned the proper skills to operate your machine today??? I'm sure there are some out there somewhere but how many of you are gonna send your kid to learn to drive your tractors on a simulator?? Mine has been riding everything from my mower to our little 440 Deere dozer and when I'm able (meaning no other equipment is gonna be running on or around the job site) I take him to work on heavy equipment with me. Then I ride him on what ever I'm working on when the repairs are complete. He has been riding with me since he was old enough to sit up, and in fact when he was about 2 riding him on the tractor was the one sure way to put him to sleep. If the engine idled down for me to bring him in he woke up and wanted to ride more. He's almost 9 now and I don't have a problem doing hardly anything around him because he's growing up learning what to do around machines. Heck he's even got his very own chain saw, minus the chain of course, that he uses when we're cutting wood. I used to worry when he was around and I was cutting, now I can hear his saw and always know exactly where he is. He's learning to handle a tool properly and having fun doing it. Of course it'll be a long time before he gets a saw with a chain, but the lessons learned will always be there.... The main thing is maintaining PROPER SUPERVISION and being an ADULT about EVERYTHING when he is around. I never do anything with him riding if his presence is gonna limit me controlling the machine properly for what I'm doing. If I'm in an open field no problem, but if I'm having to maneuver alot or control an implement closely then it's time to get off for him. In that case I make him get off and stand at a safe distance, usually against a tree or something easily identifiable, or worst case he has to go in the house. He knows if he moves from the spot I tell him to stand he's gonna get a spanking, he's not get to ride again for a while,or he's gonna have to go inside. Whatever the punishment for not doing what he's told he always has the incentive to stay put. I only had to punish him once or twice before he knew he better than to move from where I told him to stand. That was several years ago and there has never been a problem since although I still watch him close when I'm working. If he should happen to come outside and I'm on a machine he has never come within 100 feet of me until the tractor has completely stopped and I actually acknowledge him and tell him to come closer because he has been Taught What To Do, And In Many Cases Shown The Dangers NOT Just Had It All Explained To Him. We all know true accidents do happen but they can usually be prevented by us being adults and using some common sense. We wouldn't stop riding kids in our cars just because there are alot of them killed in crashes every year, instead we ride them around and eventually teach them to drive behind the wheel....What makes tractors any different? Why not ride them on our machines when it's safe and teach them about the dangers involved and how to be safe around equipment just like we were taught. Telling is never enough, for a kid, they have to be shown. It's the adults that don't use common sense that get theirself or a kid hurt or killed, and the kids that were never properly taught that get their self hurt of killed. The rest of us go on to live long happy lives til some other idiot not using common sense hurts or kills us. Just my .02..... .....

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James2

11-08-2004 10:04:13




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 Re: This is my opinion, who's in agreement? in reply to NC Wayne, 11-07-2004 20:07:08  
I agree 100%. I totally don't understand how an inexperienced individual can effectively learn to drive machinery without someone riding along giving instructions. I have been taught this way and have given instructions to others many times in this manner. How many of you naysayers would give instructions to someone about driving a car, then just turn them loose without riding along with them? Seems to be about as reasonable. No doubt a cab makes things safer, but again not all tractors have a cab. Life in general is hazardous, everywhere and anytime something bad can happen. What one needs to understand is that when you are engaged in a activity which increases the odds that something bad can happen, such as riding on a tractor with another person operating compared to the more bengin situation of sitting in the house watching TV, one need to consider if the benefit clearly outweighs the increased risk. To be running around joy riding does not justify the risk, to be receiving operating instructions I believe is.

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Fawteen

11-08-2004 02:10:35




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 Re: This is my opinion, who's in agreement? in reply to NC Wayne, 11-07-2004 20:07:08  
Bravo. An approach that combines common sense with safety, instead of a knee-jerk reaction and a safety-nazi lecture.



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37 chief

11-07-2004 22:52:08




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 Re: This is my opinion, who's in agreement? in reply to NC Wayne, 11-07-2004 20:07:08  
As others have said this is a tragic accident.My Dad tought my brother and my self to drive tractors when we were quite young. Little did we know we were in training to help him farm. When my dad was not around my brother and myself would have tractor races. It would have been very easy for a couple young kids like us to have had a problem. This may have been the case with a tractor hitting the train. We were always around machines growing up on the farm and Dad tought us to have respect of them.Dad is gone now but he left us with a lot of knowledge. Stan

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Davis In SC

11-07-2004 21:07:37




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 Re: This is my opinion, who's in agreement? in reply to NC Wayne, 11-07-2004 20:07:08  
Wayne, it sounds like your son is learning plenty of "Common Sense" In fact, it sounds like he already has a lot more common sense than many adults that I see. It never fails to amaze me how so many so-called "Intelligent" adults will just stand in the way of someone operating equipment. And they usually say " Oh, don't let me get in your way"..... ...



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Davis In SC

11-07-2004 21:49:32




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 Re: This is my opinion, who's in agreement? in reply to Davis In SC, 11-07-2004 21:07:37  
To add to my post.... Equipment is like guns in this respect... When I was growing up there were quite a few guns in the house. Us kids knew better than to even think of touching them, unless our Dad was present & said we could. By the time I was 7 he taught me how to shoot a 22. Later I moved on to the bigger guns. Still, I knew better than to touch one , unless an adult was present. Something has really changed in the last 40 years. Children are so sheltered, not allowed to do anything that even hints of danger, then they are thrown into the world without any idea of what can happen to them. It was tragic about the child being killed. My question is , how did a tractor & train collide ?

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buickanddeere

11-07-2004 18:51:43




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 Re: Another tractor accident...why? in reply to Rauville, 11-07-2004 14:29:12  
Pretty soon the letters will start flying that as a free American citizen then can do what ever they please. That includes riders on tractors where there is no place for them. How is it some people think they are too smart,too fast and too strong to be involved in a incident? What was he doing or had been drinking that he drove into the side of a train?



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Paul in Mich

11-08-2004 04:32:50




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 Re: Another tractor accident...why? in reply to buickanddeere, 11-07-2004 18:51:43  
The way I see it is that it could have been a Car, SUV, bicycle, or any other vehicle for that matter, but when one vehicle hits a train, someone is likely to get hurt or killed. Being on a tractor neither increases or decreases the likelihood of tragic consequences. Most responsible parents would not have a child on a tractor, going down the road, and I certainly would not in those circumstances, but sometimes, freedom allows people to do smart things and stupid things. In this case, hindsight would indicate that something stupid turned into something tragic.

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PaGlenn

11-07-2004 17:54:06




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 Re: Another tractor accident...why? in reply to Rauville, 11-07-2004 14:29:12  
If you clicked on to the link, you will note
2 other 8 year olds died in separate vehicle
accidents. A triple tragedy for that states
loved ones.



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FarmerDave

11-07-2004 15:46:49




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 Re: Another tractor accident...why? in reply to Rauville, 11-07-2004 14:29:12  

Sounds like child endangerment to me. I did not read the story, but my instinct tells me the tractor driver need to spend some time behind bars.



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Bob

11-07-2004 17:03:52




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 Re: Another tractor accident...why? in reply to FarmerDave, 11-07-2004 15:46:49  
How many car-train accidents have there been, in say, the last month? Is the tractor accident any different?

I think it is already tragic enough without picking on anyone over it!

The word "accident" pretty much sums it up. I'm sure it's nothing anyone did on purpose!



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Nebraska Cowman

11-07-2004 16:19:47




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 Re: Another tractor accident...why? in reply to FarmerDave, 11-07-2004 15:46:49  
time behind bars for a tragic accident? I don't think so. People have accidents in cars every day. Sometimes children are killed. But do we outlaw cars or imprison the drivers? Don't see any details in the story but I doubt the man left home that morning planning to hit a train.



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Harley

11-07-2004 18:12:30




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 Re: Another tractor accident...why? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 11-07-2004 16:19:47  
Ya got that right NC. The wife and I were talking about that very thing today. Our son is in Samarra, Iraq and while he is there his family is coming to live with us and he has two little ones. The oldest is a year and a half and calls me his popa already, and the first thing I got him was a 560 pedal tractor and a wagon to pull behind it, and the first thing he is going to want to do is go for a ride with popa on His tractor. Ain't gonna happen. Or on the lawn mower either, even with it not mowing, because if I do, he'll come running up behind me someday when it Is turning, and that's when accidents happen. I know, we've all done it, I did, and I bounced off the drawbar of an old AC WD with my gandfather driving one time, and was very lucky. Didn't get hurt. That's what we're supposed to do when we get older, get smarter and not make our kids go through what we had to. Anyway, the poor guy in the story is going to live with that tragedy the rest of his life, he don't need any more heartache right now. Later, Harley

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JT

11-08-2004 13:37:33




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 Re: Another tractor accident...why? in reply to Harley, 11-07-2004 18:12:30  
There is a lot of "what if" involved here. I guess the way I look at it, how are my, your children supposed to learn how to use this equipment if they are not taught how, and it cannot be done with pictures, they, I inlcuded, need/needed hands on experience.



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John *.?-!.* cub owner

11-07-2004 20:46:49




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 Re: Another tractor accident...why? in reply to Harley, 11-07-2004 18:12:30  
Harly, keep a close eye on those grandchildren. We once bought a house that had at one time been owned by a man whose 2 year old son slipped out of the house and ran into the field where he was picking corn. The man didn't know the boy was out there, and backed over him with the grain truck right in fornt of the house. He lived ther a few more months, but finally had to leave the farm, he just couldn't stand the reminder any longer.

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