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R Wyler

10-27-2004 07:41:10




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Is Mobile 1 synthetic really a better engine oil as far as protection goes? I got to wondering if I should start useing it in my 930 diesel Case like the 15W50 I am currently useing Chevron Delo 400 15W40. What are the advantages to the High grade synthetics? Thanks. R Wyler




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TomTX

10-28-2004 07:20:17




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to R Wyler, 10-27-2004 07:41:10  
Mobil 1 if fine for gas engines. For diesel engines use Mobil Delvac 1 5W40 full syn. You can get it at the Mobil distributor. The Delvac One has all the additives for heavy duty diesel engines, and at the 5W40 gives you quick lub at very low temps.



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R Wyler

10-28-2004 17:18:16




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to TomTX, 10-28-2004 07:20:17  
Is it really a snythetic oil? Now that I read that article I don't know what to think. Though I do trust Mobiles quality non the less. Thanks for the info. R Wyler



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Ray,IN

10-27-2004 21:47:00




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 Re: Mobil 1 in reply to R Wyler, 10-27-2004 07:41:10  
This seres of articles persuaded me to continue to use regular petroleum oils in my diesels and gasoline engines. The author included links to technical articles to support all his assertions.



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R Wyler

10-28-2004 17:16:19




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 Re: Mobil 1 in reply to Ray,IN, 10-27-2004 21:47:00  
Thanks Ray that is very very interesting. And I don't doubt this either. That oil buisiness is a racket I think.



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leland

10-27-2004 18:39:19




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to R Wyler, 10-27-2004 07:41:10  
Don't forget amsoil I ran in a mazda truck could go 40-50000 between changes by sending sample to lab. Did change filter every 7000 and top off. only thing I did not like was no fricton took for ever to get heat when below 0 outside



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R Wyler

10-27-2004 19:20:04




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to leland, 10-27-2004 18:39:19  
Thanks Leland I have never heard of such an oil that is something else to be able to last that long. I will have to look into this and see what it says. R Wyler



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leland

10-27-2004 20:58:24




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to R Wyler, 10-27-2004 19:20:04  
ADM in Decatur ILL runs plain old amaco-BP 15-40 up to 35000+ miles in it's fleet of OTR trucks, And thats what they do ,they have there own oil lab so they get results in minutes. It does not matter how black and nasty it looks if lab says it's good they send truck out.And some railroads use regular shell rotella T bacause it does not break down even when a loco sits and idles for 5 or 6 days and they put a lot more hours on that oil than you can imagine. but on that mazda if I had installed a bypass filter and sent in samples they clain you could go up to a hundred thousand mile between changes. that kinda scares me but a lot of fleets save a lot of money by extending drain periods on there fleet by doing this.

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R Wyler

10-27-2004 21:04:47




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to leland, 10-27-2004 20:58:24  
I looked at their site earlier. That is very fascinateing about the life of that oil they must really know how to formulate it!!!! I know Shell is fine oil though I didnt know it was that resistant to breaking down. It looks to me like synthetics are the best motor oils there is though I very little about it I am sure no regular oils are going to hold up near as well. R Wyler



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leland

10-27-2004 21:32:15




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to R Wyler, 10-27-2004 21:04:47  
That old case will probley run better on regular oil bacause if you change over to syn oil all the dirt in motor will end up in pan and you would have to change often bacause when syn oil gets dirty engine starts using oil and that would get costly for you. thats how most people that use syn oil knows when to change it when it starts using oil. and any minor leaks now could be come major syn will find a way out. the stuff flows so good a guy rebuilding a tractor engine filled motor with amsoil and they claimed the next morning that the shop towells covering heads were soaked with oil so don't ask me to explain that but's that there story.

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R Wyler

10-29-2004 17:07:04




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to leland, 10-27-2004 21:32:15  
Yes I best stay with the Chevron regular oil on this tractor I would have never imagined it causeing problems of that maginitude. Thanks again Leland for the help. R Wyler



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leland

10-29-2004 21:14:06




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to R Wyler, 10-29-2004 17:07:04  
Sorry but on older motors syn oil will clean out all dirt sludge and anything else in motor. but don't let this scare you away, I've used syn oil for 10 years and never had a problem execpt when it comes to a leak and this stuff will find the tinest hole and weep thru but that only happened once valve cover.But don't be afraid to try it in anything new or near new good day.



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R Wyler

10-29-2004 21:31:00




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to leland, 10-29-2004 21:14:06  
Thanks Leland for the help, yes if it cleans sludge that is a very good thing perhaps if I ever rebuild one of those Case engines and put in all new seals and gaskets I should try some sythet and see how it goes. Yes if I ever get anything new or near new I problably will use a high grade sythet. Thanks again Leland and e-mail me if you ever want to. R Wyler



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JDknut

10-27-2004 10:09:13




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to R Wyler, 10-27-2004 07:41:10  
The synthetic is a good choice especially in cold weather country. For a Diesel, use Delvac One (for Mobil brand), as this is the Diesel equivalent of Mobil 1. Regular Mobil 1 is for gassers and does not meet all the Diesel specs.



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R Wyler

10-27-2004 14:28:10




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to JDknut, 10-27-2004 10:09:13  
Hello JD knut are you the same JD knut as on the bashing board? Thanks for the info. I still havent done anything to my 930 lp that is getting coolant in the oil yet I was told by a man who really knows Case engines that that is normal and to run it as much as possible he said when they set alot it can cause that. I did add another bottle of bars leaks and so far I havent had any more coolant in the oil so far so good. You had your Deere that was doing that overhauled didn't you? R Wyler

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Jay (ND)

10-27-2004 10:30:45




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to JDknut, 10-27-2004 10:09:13  
Dang - you're right - I forgot all about that and I'm supposed to know this stuff. It DOES meet all the specs except for weight, which I would discount. Great oil.



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txblu

10-27-2004 09:14:41




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to R Wyler, 10-27-2004 07:41:10  
Good question. So, since Mobil makes both, I went to their web site and looked at the specs.

The parafin based 15w-40, Cx-4 rated oils have some pretty impressive specs. For what it's worth, this Mobil oil has a later rating than the syn. Maybe they haven't retested the syn lately.

Anyway, I started using syn's several years ago and have noticed improvements over prafin oils.

My observations:

Parafins stay cleaner longer. This is due to their tolerance for high temp; don't break down as readily as parafin oils.

On the other end, for a given weight, syn's have a significantly lower pour point; like today we were talking about -38F pour point for Mobil-1 15w-40.

Their molecular attachment (to metal) seems to be better. Initial start ups are cleaner. Case in point. Had a '88 F150, 302v8. After an oil change, lifters would always rattle before the pressure was up, even with my filling the oil filter prior to installation. With syn it never did it again.

Another. Had a rice burner 3 cyl diesel LT. Cold weather starts were always accompanied by significant piston skirt slapping (very noisy). Used syn and it quit.

What I have done, on all engines (except air cooled) is go 100% for a couple of changes then blend (my own blend, not storebought blend)about 20% syn with the parafin. Seems to work ok. Air cooled get 10% always. 1 change per year; stays clear all year.

Supposed to reduce friction which makes engines run cooler with better efficiency. Don't doubt the claims (make sense) but have no scientific nor empirical data to prove it personally.

Mark

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R Wyler

10-27-2004 14:24:36




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to txblu, 10-27-2004 09:14:41  
Thanks for all youtr info txblu, I am not very good with engines so I know very little about the affects different motor oils have on all these things and it is nice to know this. I am going to look up Case specs and see what I can find to match them. R Wyler



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txblu

10-27-2004 09:17:00




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to txblu, 10-27-2004 09:14:41  
Er ah punched wrong button..... correction: Mobil 1 15w-50 used to be 15w-40.

As far as the others I use Rotella T, Delo, or Delvac interchangeably. Haven't noticed any difference.

Mark



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Jay (ND)

10-27-2004 09:09:06




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to R Wyler, 10-27-2004 07:41:10  
R - Mobil 1 is an excellent product. In my NTBHO, there is no better on the market. However, it does not meet specs for your 930.

Ok, the fine print: Either gas or diesel (I've yet to see a gas 930, but it's in my book) the original and still current recommendation for oil is #30, with a SJ/CD spec on the gasser, and a CD spec on the diesel. Mobil 1 will meet the SJ spec, but not the CD. Also, Mobil 1 isn't available in a #30.

Caveat: While the recommendation doesn't specifically name a multi-grade oil for your tractor (except under constant heavy loads in extreme cold weather), 15w40 (conventional) or 15w50 (syn. for gassers) would be fine. I can't think of a single 930 up in this area that is on #30.

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R Wyler

10-27-2004 13:48:12




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to Jay (ND), 10-27-2004 09:09:06  
Thanks for all that info Jay. Is Caveat a Mobile brand?? I need to go look at there website. R Wyler



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txblu

10-27-2004 09:23:39




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to Jay (ND), 10-27-2004 09:09:06  
No contest other than the Mobil 1 15w-50(from Wally World) sitting on my shop shelf is CL/SJ. For what it's worth, talking about viscosities, the ratings I saw on the web were different for 10w-30 Mobil 1; 5w-30 is not even in the running, nor is 0-30. The heavier oil meets more specs than the ligher and the heavier oil meets all the specs the lighter meets.

And we are taught that the newer ratings (additives/test results) are improvements over previous and can be backfitted.

Mark

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Jay (ND)

10-27-2004 09:31:57




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to txblu, 10-27-2004 09:23:39  
That is absolutely correct on all gas specs, and the majority of diesel specs. As far as what is on the Mobil 1 right now, I can't even tell you. Mobil is mediocre at best at keeping up to date on it's information. The website is the most up-to-date, and that's behind. My new Mobil book that I received about 4 days ago, still lists the 15w50 as a SL/CF.

Oh, and you are right, the diesel recommendation for his application is also backwards compatible.

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txblu

10-28-2004 08:10:56




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to Jay (ND), 10-27-2004 09:31:57  
10-4

One of the threads (don't remember whose it was) mentioned that Delvac 1 was the Diesel syn. I think it is mentioned also on the site.

I have access to what I mentioned and not to that and since what I can get is Compression rated, I'll stick to that.

Syn has gotta be good as they are now doing ATF, 90w gear lube, and wheel bearing grease. Mobil and Valvoline seem to be the current pioneers where I shop, but surely everyone will be there too if not already.

Later,

Mark

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R Wyler, I meant MOBILE

10-27-2004 08:03:04




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 Re: Molil 1 in reply to R Wyler, 10-27-2004 07:41:10  
Mobile 1



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