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buck

07-13-2004 21:21:14




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Was working on the bath room at my sisters store today and this diesel dually pickup pulls up to the door, leaves the engine running and this couple comes in to shop. Well they are there about 2 hours and the engine is running the entire time. After they leave my sister ask why all diesel drivers always leave the engine running as she sees it happening all the time. Now I really don't know so does anyone have the answer or an opinion on this. I did notice that it said something like duramax on the side if that makes any difference.

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ALAN 67

07-14-2004 19:26:17




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 Re: My sister ask this question in reply to buck, 07-13-2004 21:21:14  
To those that dont like the show, Im sure you show in a different way maybe a large bull ring in your ears,lip, nose, tounge, anyplace that it will show, and its cheap too.



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Bill

07-14-2004 13:34:33




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 Re: My sister ask this question in reply to buck, 07-13-2004 21:21:14  
No other comment is needed than the one word Big Fred gave! It's all about show!



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Davis In SC

07-14-2004 14:59:53




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 Re: Re: My sister ask this question in reply to Bill, 07-14-2004 13:34:33  
I plead guilty to letting mine idle at the gas station, etc..... That Cummins does sound good. You can tell by the looks people give whether they like Diesels or not. Regards, Davis



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Allan in NE

07-14-2004 14:55:41




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 Re: Re: My sister ask this question in reply to Bill, 07-14-2004 13:34:33  
Yeah, but Bill,

Let's not forget about that 18 or 20 foot horse trailer (complete with 2 bales of last years road ditch grass *hay up on top) that we have to pull all over the country ..... .....Empty.

And let's park the whole noisy, smelly, smokin' shootin match right square in everyone's else's way.

Now, if we're gonna showboat this thing, let's do it right. :>)

Allan



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Bill

07-14-2004 19:07:40




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 Re: Re: Re: My sister ask this question in reply to Allan in NE, 07-14-2004 14:55:41  
But, one thing is for sure, you don't have to worry about us guys driving those v10's leaving them idling! Not at today's gas prices. Whew! Mine stays parked alot. Too hot to ride those darned old horses now anyway!



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Allan in NE

07-14-2004 19:17:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: My sister ask this question in reply to Bill, 07-14-2004 19:07:40  
Bill,

Hear what you are saying. It is hotter n' blazes here too.

Did ya pick up on the fact that I like to stir the pot a little? :>)

A good one to you and yours,

Allan



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Bill

07-14-2004 20:09:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My sister ask this question in reply to Allan in NE, 07-14-2004 19:17:42  
10-4 Allan. Best to you and yours as well. (Finally a break in the heat coming tomorrow) We need some relief as we are working the tobacco fields now. No cab and air, just you and a straw hat and lots of drinking water. But while I'm out there what keeps me going is the thought of October and camping and horseback riding! Take care. Bill



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Bill

07-14-2004 19:02:13




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 Re: Re: Re: My sister ask this question in reply to Allan in NE, 07-14-2004 14:55:41  
Actually Allan, that's a 30ft. horse trailer! :)



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big fred

07-14-2004 12:41:16




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 Re: My sister ask this question in reply to buck, 07-13-2004 21:21:14  
Testosterone?



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alan 67

07-14-2004 09:57:03




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 Re: My sister ask this question in reply to buck, 07-13-2004 21:21:14  
People with gas engines let them run as well as the people with diesels, the engine rattles, gas engines run very smooth nowdays, you just can not hear the gas engines as well. At the quick stops this is quite normal to leave the engine run.
Some people leave the engine running to run the air conditioner, the same as leaving it run in the winter for the heater.



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Dick2

07-14-2004 06:33:06




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 Re: My sister ask this question in reply to buck, 07-13-2004 21:21:14  
The trucking industry magazines have been warning readers for the past 10 years that: ONE hour of idle time is equivalent to EIGHT hours driving time for Diesel engine wear. If you want to wear out your Diesel engine in a hurry, that is the way to do it.



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txblu

07-14-2004 06:07:17




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 Re: My sister ask this question in reply to buck, 07-13-2004 21:21:14  
Gonna get sarcastic here.

Like buickanddeere said, it's the maucho thing. Everyone around my neck of the woods that has a Ford diesel that's 4wd thinks they are hot stuff. Get out of my way the road is mine or I'll run over you. And every time there is an accident on the interstate coming to work, one is involved.....like this morning.
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One benefit is diesels don't generate the heat gas fired engines do so in the summer time, it can idle, not overheat, and keep the truck cool with the A/C. Since fuel efficiency at idle is the best, it's cheap.

On long time idling truckers in the North especially, during the winter leave their engines on as it saves the wear and tear trying to get it started the next morning, and if they are in the bunk, it provides some heat. I know one trucking company that had specific procedures and time limits for it's drivers with respect to this subject.

There is the cool down potential damage problem however and that has to be factored in when it's cold outside and your engine is running cool. That's one reason for the zip up blinds on the radiator. When you don't want her cool, close off the radiator air.

Mark

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720Deere

07-15-2004 08:18:23




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 Re: Re: My sister ask this question in reply to txblu, 07-14-2004 06:07:17  
If you ever owned a powerstroke, you wouldn't say that fuel efficiency is best at idle. The old 7.3 powerstroke uses tons more fuel at idle than any other engine I've been around. I can't speak for the 6.0 as I haven't been around many of them.



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Shane

07-14-2004 05:52:58




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 Re: My sister ask this question in reply to buck, 07-13-2004 21:21:14  
Two hours is excessive! If I were gonna be in the store for 10-15 mins I would let it run but only if it had some way of getting it to idle at around 1000 rpms. Need the heat to keep it running clean. Highly recommend idling at low rpms for a few mins to cool turbo and engine or warpage can happen.



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tlak

07-14-2004 04:40:36




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 Re: My sister ask this question in reply to buck, 07-13-2004 21:21:14  
Leaving a diesel run is probably an old myth. The last study I ran across was leaving it run washed down the cylinders causing wear. If all conventional engines are built to wear out (metal against metal) why would you leave it run?



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mj

07-16-2004 10:30:18




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 Re: Re: My sister ask this question in reply to tlak, 07-14-2004 04:40:36  
A diesel won't wash down if you Idle it up to above normal idle-speed. We always kept the big truck engines at 1000rpm or more (depending on how cold the weather) for extended idling.



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buickanddeere

07-14-2004 04:27:31




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 Re: My sister ask this question in reply to buck, 07-13-2004 21:21:14  
Status. Let everyone know they have a diesel with that loud rattling idle. That and as previously stated to keep the AC or the heat on. Turbine cooling is of little concern as the truck had been idled around town getting to the store. Turbine and engine wear starting up an engine that's still warm & wet is a minor issue. It's the engine sitting for while, started cold and rev'd that suffers the most wear on start-up.

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Ron

07-14-2004 02:54:38




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 Re: My sister ask this question in reply to buck, 07-13-2004 21:21:14  
Under those circumstances there is no reason except ignorance.

Chevy recommends a few minutes cool-down, at most, for the turbo.



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bcPA

07-13-2004 23:50:24




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 Re: My sister ask this question in reply to buck, 07-13-2004 21:21:14  
If a truckstop was on top of hill I would let truck run to cool turbo and engine after pulling a heavy load up a mountain. But if at bottom of mountain I would only run engine a short time. I installed a pyrometer in my mack so I knew just how much heat I was generating.I dont remember exact numbers but if exhaust temp went too high while climbing a hill I would take my foot out of the throttle even though It still had plenty of power and everything seemed fine, so as to not hurt anything.

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T_Bone

07-13-2004 23:43:13




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 Re: My sister ask this question in reply to buck, 07-13-2004 21:21:14  
Hi Buck,

1hr per day at 5days at $1.75gal = $1365 in #2 per year.

I can't see it myself.

A Turbo needs 5 minutes after pulling GCWR on a flat road, 10minutes after pulling a grade.

Empty at hi-way speed it needs the trip to the house from the hi-way then shut off.

Any longer than 10 minutes of idle will cause wet stacking thats far more harmful to a pick-up diesel engine than shut off and restarting.

T_Bone

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Wayne

07-13-2004 22:16:47




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 Re: My sister ask this question in reply to buck, 07-13-2004 21:21:14  
The main reason I have always heard is to prevent engine and turbo wear. Everybody knows that the most wear to an engine occurs at startup when the engine is turning over with low to no oil pressure. So it stands to reason that the less you start it the less wear your gonna have. Then factor in that with a turbo your getting both a "dry" start and stop so the wear there is doubled. Thing is that the amount of wear that your gonna get on any engine, diesel or not during startup and shutdown is, all things considered, negligible at best. There are gonna be exceptions to that such as a route driver that, if he had to start and stop the engine at every stop would tend to get alot of additional wear most engines don't see. Not to mention he would lose way more profit in time spent with the starting/stopping of the engine that he does in fuel consumed by letting it run. Back to the wear issue though pulling into somewhere with the engine RPMs up then hitting the key at almost the same time you do the brakes is gonna leave that turbo spooling down from the high RPMs it turns with no oil pressure and that will kill one fast. In vehicles that can be a problem, but only if you don't use a little common sense and give it a few extra seconds to slow down before you shut the engine off. If you give it this time it's not gonna wear anymore than anything else. In my experience letting one set idling like this will kill it quicker than anything. Maybe the new computer controls help out some but usually an engine that sets and idles alot tends to get alot of carbon buildup because of the lower temps the engine runs at when it is under no load. I see this in equipment that is brought to a high RPM for a short time and then back down to an idle where it sets for a while before again going back to the high RPM again. Doing this over and over tends to shorten the lifespan considerably. The reason that makes the most sense to me in general terms is people do this is because diesel fuel is "cheap" so it doesn't cost them that much to keep the vehicle running with the A/C on in the summer, or the heater on in the winter....basically their spoiled..... Beyond that I don't have a clear answer other than they have heard from "somebody" that it's the best thing to do, or simply because they want to.... Just my .02

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Mark - IN.

07-14-2004 17:51:41




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 Re: Re: My sister ask this question in reply to Wayne, 07-13-2004 22:16:47  
Wayne, very eliquently said. I echo your sentiments exactly, you just said them much better.



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Mark - IN.

07-13-2004 21:41:44




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 Re: My sister ask this question in reply to buck, 07-13-2004 21:21:14  
Probably no particular reason. I leave mine run for a couple of minutes as a general practice to cool down the turbo as a practice, but not even sure with today's technologies that that's necessary anymore. When turbos were new to engines, many manufacturers had plates fixed to the dashboards that said something like "Let engine idle for xxx minutes to let the turbocharge cool off before shuting engine off to prevent damage". I've just always made it a practice for that reason, personally. Why do others let run???? Who really knows? Maybe because knew were leaving soon and don't want any increased wear and tear on the starter.

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Stick

07-15-2004 11:12:22




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 Re: Re: My sister ask this question in reply to Mark - IN., 07-13-2004 21:41:44  
No good reason in warm weather other than starters on older small diesels are often worth as much to buy as entire running engines.

BUT..... in cold climates, it's a different picture. Up here, where it gets down very close to 50 below quite often, if you plan to shut a diesel off for any more than an hour, you best be inside a heated building or beside an electrical outlet to plug in engine heaters, or be rich enough to afford a fuel fired engine heater. I sure can't! Our trucks at work run for most of the winter. They cool down mighty quick when it's that cold, and I've seen them not start when shut down for 2 hours. Then it can be days before we can get them started again. My own trucks and tractor I don't start at all in the winter unless they're gonna be running most of the day or for a long trip.

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