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bill huddleston

07-08-2004 20:38:56

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i have beeen spending more time setting/tuning up the distrib and carb on my 1939 ford 9n than driving it. any body have any sugestions for tractors to stay away from. like i have heard you cant readily get parts for a belarus. i intend to get a diesel big enough to power 4-5 foot rotary cutter and box blade and want to pull a 2x4 disc harrow

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farmer dave

07-15-2004 16:27:00

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Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to bill huddleston, 07-08-2004 20:38:56

I get confilicting reports on Longs. The neighbor owns 3 or 4. Says he would buy another. Local tractor repairman says they are low on the hog. Who should I believe?

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lee

07-10-2004 21:54:11

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Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to bill huddleston, 07-08-2004 20:38:56

Bill just buy one a Kubota best import best parts net work you can still get any part for them even 30yr old ones. look at the other imports some of the Ihs or JD parts dry up after a few years

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colekicker

07-09-2004 21:01:38

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Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to bill huddleston, 07-08-2004 20:38:56

I have to stand up for New Holland b/c I work for a NH dealership. If we order parts, and the shipping company (FedEx) doesn't screw it up, we see the parts the next day if ordered before noon. That fron TN to TX. Sure if you really get to looking at the smaller lines, including JD, they have someone else make their compact tractors. Its the largest growing market of the tractor sector. Did you know there are differnt levels of compact tractors? It can get very complicated. And the new low priced JD, not even close to being made in the U.S. Every company has its downfalls. If I were choosing right now, and getting a compact, I'd go with CaseIH or New Holland simply b/c of dealer support. Plus, its the same company.

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Russ Smart

07-09-2004 17:25:43

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Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to bill huddleston, 07-08-2004 20:38:56

We have a JD 4600 that we just love (37 pto hp). It will work like all get out on about 3 quarts an hour, and will shear the pin on our 5" King cutter without even changing engine tone! As far as I can see, there are no electonics on it.

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david - OR

07-09-2004 13:03:14

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Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to bill huddleston, 07-08-2004 20:38:56

I can get a water pump for my 1940 Ford 9N for about $40 from a large number of places. I rebuilt the whole tractor using parts bought over the Internet.

Until recently I owned a Massey-Ferguson 205-4 tractor. This was a Hinomoto 18D with a Toyosha engine, made for rice farming in Japan, and imported and rebadged by MF back in the late 70s. It was a nice little tractor, more capable in many ways than the 9N despite having only 18 HP.

Both Hinomoto and Toyosha have long since gone out of business. Parts are still somewhat available from AGCO. But the prices are breathtaking to say the least. When the water pump impeller recently broke in half, I had to drive to a place that would sell me AGCO parts, struggle for 45 minutes to find the part in the catalog, found that the cost was $300 and I was lucky to get the part. When I bought the (used) tractor years ago I thought I was avoiding this problem by buying a "Massey Ferguson" instead of a Belarus or Kioti or whatever.

Just goes to show -- use caution whatever the name on the grille.

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Mike M

07-09-2004 12:15:24

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Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to bill huddleston, 07-08-2004 20:38:56

While your Ford is lacking in modern conviences it has the best aftermarket parts supply available. There is no reason that it cannot be made reliable and go another 60 years if you would want it to. Nothing wrong with upgradeing to a more modern tractor I would just stick with a name brand that will be there if you need parts.

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Mike

07-09-2004 09:42:39

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Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to bill huddleston, 07-08-2004 20:38:56

Bill,
If you want to get to around the 40hp range, JD has the 05 series. I got a 5105 a couple of years ago and love that thing. Pretty comparable in price to other, same engine as the smaller 20 series tractors. They have since come out with the 03 series but I haven't looked at those.
good luck,
mike

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T213R

07-09-2004 06:42:44

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Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to bill huddleston, 07-08-2004 20:38:56

You do know, that there is some 65 years between a 1939 9N and a brand new tractor? You COULD for example, look at amaller utility tractors that are only say, 25 years old, get all of the modern features except for the electronic computer controls, and save probably well over HALF of what you'd have spent on a brand new one. And THAT's if what you are looking at is in the 40-50 hp range. If you only NEED 20-30 hp, basiclly a very large lawn tractor, the price of something like say a 950 John Deere (or equivilent) should be very reasonable.

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buickanddeere

07-09-2004 14:18:56

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Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to T213R, 07-09-2004 06:42:44

Around here the better name brand utility tractors 10-35 years old still cost the same or more than when new. Farmers with livestock, hobby farmers, rural estate owners and demand from the US with the exchange on the dollar. A resonable priced utility tractor is sold in hours around here. The local Deere dealer gets at least one call a day for someone looking for a $5000.00 to $7500.00 loader tractor. There just isn't any that haven't been beat into scrap .

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paul

07-08-2004 21:46:19

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Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to bill huddleston, 07-08-2004 20:38:56

Stay away from any China tractor. Ick!

Kubota, JD, NH, Case are all good, pick the features & dealer you want.

Mahindra, Yanmar, Kioti, probably a couple I'm forgetting are pretty good - less dealers, possibly not as polished, but a bit of a price break for a solid machine.

Grey Market tractors from Japan - these are sold in Japan, & imported to the USA as used. Missing safety features, lacking parts support, everything is written in Japaneese. But, many match USA models fairly closely, and are pretty well made. They are fairly cheap for what you get - solidly made machines, if you can live with the negatives.

Belarus is so so, has casting & hydraulic issues, used to have ok dealer support but not sure any more, lot went away.

Then way, way, way below that is anything from China. Ick.

--->Paul

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Ben in KY

07-09-2004 07:41:27

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Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to paul, 07-08-2004 21:46:19

Not so sure about some of the smaller JD and NH....
Too much electronics, heard a lot about having to take those tractors in to have the programming on them tuned up to keep them going.

More electronics = more trouble.

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Mike (WA)

07-09-2004 08:26:45

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Re: Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to Ben in KY, 07-09-2004 07:41:27

There's a very lucrative niche here for some electronics geek. The components of the "black boxes" probably cost about 12 cents, and if someone could figure out how to do the programming, etc, could make a ton of money selling repop electronic stuff for vehicles, tractors, etc. I plan to do it, right after I figure out how to set my VCR (or is it a DVD now? Remind me to ask my kid which one we have).

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Leroy

07-09-2004 06:26:53

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Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to paul, 07-08-2004 21:46:19

I have seen JD's that had the Yanmar tag on them as JD didn't make the small tractors, just bought a pakage and sold it

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Mike M

07-09-2004 12:06:01

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Re: Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to Leroy, 07-09-2004 06:26:53

John Deere does have parts in stock ready to ship and dealers have real good coverage though.

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paul

07-09-2004 08:13:28

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Re: Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to Leroy, 07-09-2004 06:26:53

There are no tractors totally 'made' in the USA under 100 hp. The components are built to JD (or Case, NH, etc) specs, and some are assembled here, some are assembled other places.

Someday all these machines will be made in China. Just like Japan back in the '70s with cars - the first efforts are total junk, but look at it now, Japaneese cars are rated some of the best for comfort & fit. Same will happen with Chineese tracors. someday. Just for sure, not today!!!!! :)

--->Paul

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07-09-2004 15:59:21

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Re: Re: Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to paul, 07-09-2004 08:13:28

Where do you all think that the Kioti, Branson, Century tractors are made. Can you say "CHINA"???
And you are getting a lot of tractor for less money, plus the China tractors and Vietnamese tractors weight more than the Jap tractors.

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paul

07-10-2004 05:36:05

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to JT, 07-09-2004 15:59:21

I do not believe those are China-made tractors. I thought Korea, but I could be wrong on that - not China tho?

The China stuff is big & heavy - weak, mis-fitting, poor casting, poor paint, rusty, leaky, and on & on.....

--->Paul

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leaddog

07-09-2004 19:37:15

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to JT, 07-09-2004 15:59:21

Those are made in korea and are very solid tractors. the Branson-Century are made by kujie and they make the jd 5000-6000 series and have for years. They now have the cummins engine that they are manufacturing there.

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Mike (WA)

07-09-2004 08:22:14

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Re: Re: Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to paul, 07-09-2004 08:13:28

Same thing is happening with the Korean car makers- early Hyundai's were a mess, now are one of the higher rated cars. Still can't quite figure out why Daihatsu named one model the Charade- don't they have anyone who speaks English?

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VaTom

07-09-2004 15:57:21

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to Mike (WA), 07-09-2004 08:22:14

Charade is a whole lot better than Chevy's Nova, which means "doesn't go" in several languages. Took them a loooong time to figure out what the problem was.

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T_Bone

07-09-2004 09:03:00

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to Mike (WA), 07-09-2004 08:22:14

Hi Paul,

I heard some where? (PBS TV?) that alot of cars, tractors, ATV's ect; are brought to the US as parts as then the mfg doesn't have to pay import taxes.

T_Bone

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07-09-2004 09:36:51

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new tractors to stay away in reply to T_Bone, 07-09-2004 09:03:00

Wouldnt you do the same?

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John A.

07-08-2004 21:10:32

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Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to bill huddleston, 07-08-2004 20:38:56

Bill, STAY AWAY FROM ANY AND ALL.....Republic Of China Tractors. I have talked this till I am blue in the face! They are Ill-breed and concieved rice burning outfits. AgriCat, Farm-pro to nane two flavors. These two are basicly the same tractor just one Red/white and one Green/yellow. Feature for feature they are lacking.
Since your looking new, Look at a Mahindra very inpressive little tractor. ex...60hp, 4x4, w/loader, real gauges + tack, (in english). Remotes too. +,- $19,000 At San Antonio, Texas
Can be hauled on a 16 ft trailer. great mid size tractor for hay work. Anyway ...just a suggestion.
Hope this helps.
Later,
John A.

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16 foot extra wide

07-09-2004 16:19:27

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Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to John A., 07-08-2004 21:10:32

A 5500 Mahindra with 14.9 x 28 tires will fit on a typical 78 inch wide trailer. A 6000 with 16.9 x 28 tires won't clear the fenders and must be loaded on a bed over the wheels trailer or a seven foot wide bed between the wheels trailer. I have a 5500 with a Mahindra ML260 loader and it would be better suited to a 18' trailer with 5K axles. The Mahindra will outweigh a similar sized Kubota M series by a thousand pounds or more.

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txblu

07-09-2004 06:09:01

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Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to John A., 07-08-2004 21:10:32

Interesting the Chinese models come in red/white and green/yellow. Hmmmmm mmmm let me see now, have I ever seen those colors in the field before?

Mark

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Ben in KY

07-09-2004 07:38:56

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Re: Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to txblu, 07-09-2004 06:09:01

The yellow and green company is in a business deal with a chinese tractor company...so before long....

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buickanddeere

07-09-2004 14:25:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to Ben in KY, 07-09-2004 07:38:56

Deere sold the tooling for the 30 or 40 series Mannheim built six cylinders years ago to China. Been building them in "partnership" ever since. The 03 series of utility tractors are built in India country refuses to import finished goods. An idea the west should adopt to prevent negative trade balances. Look at how China and Japan is quietly buying out North American companies and property with the cash. The Deere 05 series is US assembled/built as is the 5000 twenty series.

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harley1983

07-09-2004 15:24:42

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new tractors to stay away from in reply to buickanddeere, 07-09-2004 14:25:40

I'm confused. I thought they quit making tractors after they made the Farmall M's. My main tractor is a 1940 M serial number 14821, and I have added live two way hydraulics, wide front end, three point for all those "modern" implements, and if anything goes wrong, like the feller up above said, I can rebuild the whole thing off the internet. Stay with the old reliable stuff. This new stuff is kinda like picking out your first wife. Sure they look good and they talk good and most of them smell nice, but after about 30 or so years go by and the new wears off what have you got? Well the same thing goes for tractors. There comes a time when you just don't want to start looking for something new to break in. Stick with the tried and true old stuff and you'll be fine. Harley

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