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Don S.

07-03-2004 18:01:26




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Some of us grew up the older tractors. Farmall, Oliver, Moline, Allis, etc. In the 50s & early 60s a lot of farms had tractors in the 30 - 50 hp range. Each brand had its good & bad points.
The question: If you could build one of these from scratch, which features from which brand would you use? Which engine (gas or diesel?) Which tranny-how many gears? Ford style 3pt., Eagle hitch, Fast hitch, etc. Wide front or tricycle? Personally, I like the Case Eagle hitch and the Case Tripl-Range(12speed)tranny with the Massey live pto & Perkins diesel engine. Adjustable wide front end. Thanks.

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Steve W (NY)

07-06-2004 06:31:48




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 Re: Build-A-Tractor in reply to Don S., 07-03-2004 18:01:26  
I've heard Ford had the muscle to get the three point to become the standard. To anyone that ever used a complete line of snap coupler implements on a Allis, this was a shame. I can remember backing up to implements, hearing a nice click when the latch closed, reaching from the seat and hooking the latches, and away we go. Compare that to a three point. Yuck!

At least a standard was aceepted, but it's a shame that an idea hatched in 1939 has never been improved.

Take Care
Steve

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thurlow

07-04-2004 10:09:54




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 Re: Build-A-Tractor in reply to Don S., 07-03-2004 18:01:26  
Steering on the Essex Tri-D will never be equaled; shame the rest of the tractor wasn't up to snuff..... ..... ..



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Alberta Mike

07-04-2004 10:55:40




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 Re: Re: Build-A-Tractor in reply to thurlow, 07-04-2004 10:09:54  
Ahhh, the storied ETD .... haven't heard anyone talk about it for some time now. I think the ban on it's discussion has long since expired. Yes, it's steering system was one to behold and most of it's features were so advanced that even today's modern tractors have as yet to have them. Just to think that a guy could just fill up the fuel tank with any type of manure or waste and you'd get a whole season of energy. There's one nearby not too far away. Every now and then I drop by it and just rub my hands over it's parts and it sort of revitalizes my spirit. Thanks for bringing it up again.

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Ron

07-04-2004 06:14:34




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 Re: Build-A-Tractor in reply to Don S., 07-03-2004 18:01:26  
Oliver 1650, adjustable wide-front.

Gas engine (I have to plow snow)
66 HP 540/1000 RPM live/independent PTO
18 forward and 6 reverse speeds
power steering
disc brakes
tilt/telescopic steering wheel
live hydraulics with remotes
3 pt.
comfortable, adjustable seat

Most 4 digit Olivers came equipped from the factory like the 1650. The difference is weight and HP. The 1650 makes a particularly good row crop tractor and utility tractor.

Oliver pioneered many of these features which the other manufacturers copied.

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Hugh MacKay

07-05-2004 14:18:45




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 Re: Re: Build-A-Tractor in reply to Ron, 07-04-2004 06:14:34  
Ron: I think by the time the 1650 came on the market most American built tractors had most of those features. The date I'm getting on the first 1650 is 1964. Oliver's only real first was 6 cylinder. The live pto belongs to Cockshutt. Over under, really just a power shift IH 1st, Ford 2nd and John Deere 3rd. There are many better adjustable row crop front axles than Oliver. Power steering, disc brakes and live hydraulics with remotes were 10-15 years old when the 1650 was first built.

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Dan in Ore

07-04-2004 04:48:57




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 Re: Build-A-Tractor in reply to Don S., 07-03-2004 18:01:26  
Oliver "88" diesel with a ford style 3-point. That's about all you need.

This is coming form a tried and true Farmall and Case lover.

Dan



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Hugh MacKay

07-03-2004 19:33:36




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 Re: Build-A-Tractor in reply to Don S., 07-03-2004 18:01:26  
Don: Too late, John Deere has already done that using Oliver's 6 cylinder, Cockshutt's live PTO, IH's TA, Ferguson's 3 point hitch, etc. This is only a few of the items. There was an article in an issue of Antique Power Mag. about 5 years ago, listing all the components John Deere uses on it's modern day tractors. He found a least one idea from every manufacturer around in the early 1950's. Each idea came from the other companies. The article stated that John Deere developed no new ideas of their own, just did one heck of a good job perfecting and marketing everyone elses ideas.

I should still have that copy of magazine, I will see if I can find it in the morning, give you the complete list.

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Bill(Wis)

07-05-2004 05:39:15




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 Re: Re: Build-A-Tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-03-2004 19:33:36  
Hugh: A Ford dealer told me that the engineer responsible for development of Ford's disastrous Select-O-Speed was fired by Ford and then went to work for JD where he helped develop the JD Powershift. If true, that would be one more example of what you're saying.



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Hugh MacKay

07-05-2004 13:56:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Build-A-Tractor in reply to Bill(Wis), 07-05-2004 05:39:15  
Bill: I hadn't heard that story, however now that you remind me that was one of the examples in the magazine story. Of course AC had the first Turbo on a farm tractor.



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