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Kent

06-17-2004 19:33:30

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I recently bought 10 acres next to my land and it is pretty hilly and has alot of weeds but has fescue and orchard grass. I want to just kill off everything but the grass, will 2-4-D work? I have a 300 gallon pull type, pto sprayer. Anyone know what mix of water to 2-4-D I should use or use something else?? I really don't want to til the ground due to erosion. Any recommendations? Thanks, Kent

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Kent

06-19-2004 20:12:02

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Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in hay in reply to Kent, 06-17-2004 19:33:30

I will have to look at the 2-4-D that I have, I think it is called Pasture Pro, I got it at my local Rural King farm store. I need to test my sprayer with the nozzles I have and see what rate I am at. I just got done bush hogging it this evening. I cut it pretty short, almost like a lawn. I think I will look into the Speed-Zone product also. I am sure it will take several years to get it under control. An O'le timer once told me there is already enough seeds in the ground to keep me spraying for 50 years! Thanks for the help. Kent

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kyhayman

06-18-2004 20:08:52

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Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in hay in reply to Kent, 06-17-2004 19:33:30

Timing is everything with 2,4-D. I had poor results with it for a long time until I backed up to late Feb (central KY). In timothy I use 1 qt of 40% a.i. 2,4-D LVE. On other grasses I may use 3 pts. Had good success. Remember what the other folks said about drift, not only cotton but tobacco as well, can drift a mile of more. Thats one reason Tordon is banned here except in the 1% RTU formulation.

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Bob-Wyo

06-18-2004 19:59:46

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Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in hay in reply to Kent, 06-17-2004 19:33:30

Kent you really ought to look at PI Gordons new product called SPEED-ZONE, we think it is greater than sliced bread. Very Low AI, rain fast in 2 hours, reseed in 10 days, does a job on canadian thisle, clover, plaintain, waxy leaf weeds, did a real job on adult knotweed, etc. dandilions will show wilt in less that 2 hours. All this at the low rate. Am doing a test plot on bindweed now, starting to show wilt and it's been raining off and on all week. We have cut our total AI use in half now. Have been fighting the forever lasting Tordon use from years ago trying to get something to grow where it was used, it is a restricted use chem here now, not a fan of tordon
Just my 2 cents,
Bob

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txblu

06-18-2004 08:22:48

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Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in hay in reply to Kent, 06-17-2004 19:33:30

Well pilgrims, (John Wayne Jargon) now that we are on the subject of weeds,

HODDA YA KILL MILKWEED? Everything I throw at it makes it grow more prolific.

Thanks,

Mark

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john in la

06-18-2004 19:52:21

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Re: Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in hay in reply to txblu, 06-18-2004 08:22:48

Why kill it. It is the only thing that the Monarch butterfly caterpillars will eat. Sit back and enjoy the butterflies.

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txblu

06-19-2004 05:39:09

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Re: Re: Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in hay in reply to john in la, 06-18-2004 19:52:21

Where can I buy some Monarch butterfly larvae?

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Rick L.

06-18-2004 09:17:12

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Re: Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in hay in reply to txblu, 06-18-2004 08:22:48

Its a special formula called "Grandkids, Nephews, Neices, and a Garden Hoe". Readily available most everywhere. Costs a few bucks and builds character. I know. I used to be in that corps!

Rick L.

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txblu

06-18-2004 09:23:22

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Re: Re: Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in hay in reply to Rick L., 06-18-2004 09:17:12

Man I wouldn't wish this on anyone. Some of the fields I've seen are so thick that I expect it to be completely bare next year..... the things choked themselves into oblivion.

Really, I "think" I have noticed that if you use the sicklebar and cut them off at the ground they won't return. Bush hogging them just makes them grow shorter (duck their heads).

I had a pasture that had a pretty good stand and after a couple of years of haying (cutting with a sicklebar) they have disappeared.

Mark

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paul

06-18-2004 11:59:19

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Re: Re: Re: Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in in reply to txblu, 06-18-2004 09:23:22

They are a little tougher of a weed, need to go on the high end of the spray formula to get them. The lower volumes just hurt them, but don't kill them.

Dicomba will put them down, this is worse for drift than 2,4D tho. Banvel, Clarity.

--->Paul

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txblu

06-19-2004 05:39:57

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in reply to paul, 06-18-2004 11:59:19

Thanks

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paul

06-18-2004 07:02:20

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Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in hay in reply to Kent, 06-17-2004 19:33:30

You are on the right track. There are many, many sprays that will work for you.

2,4D has 2 formulations, which one are you using? For perenial broadleafs, you probably will be spraying 2 times a year for a few years with 2,4D. Some of the other products mentioned cost more but will be more effective on difficult weeds.

The label on the container has mixing & spray instructions, you must legally follow these.

Generally you will be using 1/2 pint to 2 pints per acre of 2,4D depending on your local conditions, air temp, weed size, and type of grass you want to keep. Probably between 10-20 gallons of water per acre. You want a fairly low pressure to avoid drifting, 20lbs or so. This is a general outline, please read & follow the label for your location/ conditions. You may spike the mix with some additives (fertilizer/ stickies/ wax solvents), tho 2,4D doesn't need it most of the time.

--->Paul

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Phil in MS

06-18-2004 05:55:37

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Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in hay in reply to Kent, 06-17-2004 19:33:30

Not knowing where you are located this may not be important, but after it gets really hot 2-4-D will vaporize and move. If you have any cotton near by it is certainly too late to use. Also if your neioghbors have any plants or shrubs in the yard the drift and vaporization with 2-4-D can kill or injure some of these plants. Check with your county agent about time restrictions.

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gene b

06-18-2004 03:15:58

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Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in hay in reply to Kent, 06-17-2004 19:33:30

The rate of coverage depends on your nozzle and ground speed pluss pressure. Custom spray should cost less than 20.oo per acre and it will be done correct as you sound sort of confused when you ask about mixture as some materials use just ounces per acre with water but their ground speed and pressure are all tied to the system they are using. Might be better off to give them a call. Here in our area costs 15 bucks per acre to kill ALL weeds but ALFALFA.

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Rick L.

06-17-2004 20:40:26

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Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in hay in reply to Kent, 06-17-2004 19:33:30

2-4-D will take out most of the broadleaves, but to really keep it clean you may consider Grazon in the spring or fall. Grazon is 2-4-D with Tordon for residual. Its a great way to hold down woody stuff like Buckbrush and Thistles too. Some species will take up the Tordon in the fall, were as they don't in the spring. The 2-4-D of course is only a contact herbicide.

Rick L.

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Aaron SEIA

06-18-2004 16:46:12

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Re: Re: OT killing broadleaf and trash in hay in reply to Rick L., 06-17-2004 20:40:26

Trick with Grazon is it requires a pesticide applicators licence to buy. Might want to check your local farm supply store and see if they have any weed/brush killers that don't need a licence. Otherwise, 2,4-D is the best and by far the cheapest. 1 to 2 pints per acre in 15 or so gallons of water. You can do it the hard way 3 gallons at a time using a 3% solution (3 oz per gallon).
Aaron SEIA

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