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IanC

06-10-2004 16:54:03




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Kind of a strange question, but I'm curious, and figure I'd get an answer from the collective wisdom on here. We have 7 diesel tractors ranging from 15 to 175 horespower, all burning Amoco premier diesel fuel, and they all have a different odor to the exhaust when running. I'd swear that I could tell you which tractor it was just by the smell, even if I couldn't hear or see them. Even the 2 Olivers don't smell the same. Hopefuuly I'm not the only one who notices this, and some combustion engineer can explain WHY. It probably has to do with atomization or something, but I'd like to KNOW.

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Kevin (FL)

06-10-2004 20:36:20




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 Re: Diesel exhaust odor in reply to IanC, 06-10-2004 16:54:03  
We have a Ford 172 diesel, an AC D17 diesel, a 6 cylinder Perkins, a 6.5L TD in a Suburban and a Ford Powerstroke and each one has a slightly different "aroma" when idling. The old AC probably has the lowest compression ratio so it has the richest exhaust. The Ford 172 probably comes in 2nd. The two vehicles are pretty close, but the Power Stroke has a richer smell, especially when cold.

But as some of the other posts mentioned, several factors affect diesel combustion and the exhaust smell--fuel quality and type, compression ratio, injector timing, injector condition--especially the atomizer tips, fuel pump timing, piston blow-by, valve seating conditions, air inlet filter condition and type of oil. I've noticed that two identical tractors and condition--one using Rotella and the other, say Delo, will smell differently. Since a little oil gets burned with diesels, that enters into the mix too. This is more noticeable right after changing the oil--it becomes less and less noticeable after the engines get a few hours on the oil change.

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curtis macintyre

06-12-2004 13:28:27




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 Re: Re: Diesel exhaust odor in reply to Kevin (FL), 06-10-2004 20:36:20  
Ah yeah, Starting up a Diesel on a cold morning..therearmany variables that affect the smell already mentioned by other people but I foud A big change in smell when the injectors are removed cleaned and set up properly at a shop, this usuall takes it from sort of bitter(burn your eyes out)to more sweet smell. I had them done on m 85 VW Turbo Diesel +cockshutt tractor.
also don't forget the smell of any oil that get's burned or blowby gasses the go out the road draft tube(on old machines) into the air.

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RJ-AZ

06-10-2004 19:28:59




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 Re: Diesel exhaust odor in reply to IanC, 06-10-2004 16:54:03  
I can ususally tell the brand name of equipment or the make of engine by the sound. Now as to side by side comaparisons there can be a difference depending on age and condition of the engine which can affect the odor of the exhaust.
The very first diesel I smelled was a CAT D4 when I was 8 years old. It was a cold fall morning and it had a hint of ether smell to it, there was a stirring in my loins and I been in love ever since.

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Allan in NE

06-10-2004 19:08:54




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 Re: Diesel exhaust odor in reply to IanC, 06-10-2004 16:54:03  
Ian,

Interesting thread you have going here.

I can tell you the differece between a F or a Bb note, but all diesels smell the same to me. Same with the gassers; they all smell the same.

Different strokes, different folks, I guess.

Allan



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Davis In SC

06-10-2004 19:03:59




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 Re: Diesel exhaust odor in reply to IanC, 06-10-2004 16:54:03  
Glad you asked this, I have noticed the same thing... Fumes from the MF 245 are not pleasant. New Dodge does not have quite the pleasant aroma the old 92 does. I really enjoy the smell of a well-running diesel. I think the compression ratio, & style of combustion chamber is the reason for dirrerent smells. Regards, Davis



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jerry

06-10-2004 19:03:33




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 Re: Diesel exhaust odor in reply to IanC, 06-10-2004 16:54:03  
Yes different models of same make will each have their own peculiar odor. one of our JD has a sweet smell and another bitter. One I can stand a whiff of it all day, and the bitter has me leaning for fresh air after an hour in the seat.



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Shep Va

06-10-2004 18:29:16




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 Re: Diesel exhaust odor in reply to IanC, 06-10-2004 16:54:03  
Ahhhhh , nothing like the smell of a diesel engine on a cold clear fall morning..... I love the smell of diesel, specially out of one of the pickups...

I think some of the other guys have hit it, it has to do with the way the engine burns the diesel.

And for anyone who thinks they all smell the same, take a wiff of a powerstroke diesel when it first starts and compair it to a Dodge cummins starting, compleatly different oders from the exhaust.....

Great question....

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john in la

06-10-2004 17:47:07




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 Re: Diesel exhaust odor in reply to IanC, 06-10-2004 16:54:03  
Do not mean to be snobby or what ever but..... ..

What are you a wine taster or some thing. Boy you sure got a sensitive nose. I am lucky if I could even tell if the engine is running with out hearing or seeing it. I know some can tell if it is low or high sulpher by the smell but I can not. Just smells like diesel to me.



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RayP(MI)

06-10-2004 17:36:54




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 Re: Diesel exhaust odor in reply to IanC, 06-10-2004 16:54:03  
Probably has to do with the design of each egnine, it's actual ccompression ratio (due to condition of engine), differences in injectors, settings of injector pumps, even intake and exhaust manifolds. They say the veggie-diesels (running cooking oil form the fast food joints,) are really pleasant to smell.



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Ron

06-10-2004 17:08:39




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 Re: Diesel exhaust odor in reply to IanC, 06-10-2004 16:54:03  
What a great question! Each intake charge has hydrocarbons from the fuel and oxygen from the atmosphere. As the charge burns, the unburned hydrocarbons (and there are always some) exit the exhaust. The difference in the ratio is the difference you smell.

Some old-timers can tune diesels and even gas engines by smell. I've seen them do it. My smeller ain't what it used to be but when I was a kid I could rough tune a gas engine with my nose.

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IanC

06-11-2004 18:58:56




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 Re: Re: Diesel exhaust odor in reply to Ron, 06-10-2004 17:08:39  
Thank for all the answers. I guess what got me is the two Olivers are both Lanova style injection and have about the same hours. And also I run New Holland 15W40 in everything even the gassers, less chance of a senior moment.



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