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Stronger truck for hauling

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Too Wet

05-23-2004 10:08:56




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My wife and I plan to upgrade in a year or two from a Dodge 1500 to a stronger unit to haul a 14000# GVW trailer with an 8000# Cockshutt on board. Also, have a 24' travel trailer (About 5000#) that will be hauled through some mountains.
Thinking of a Ford 3/4 ton or another Dodge in a 3/4 ton. No GM stuff. Who out there has had good or bad experiences with either a Ford or Dodge?
Thanks in advance.
Praying for safe travel.

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JHesler

05-24-2004 09:45:33




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 Re: Stronger truck for hauling in reply to Too Wet, 05-23-2004 10:08:56  
For 14,000 lbs. you need to be looking at a heavy truck. I can't imagine pulling that with any pickup. I use a 36,000 lb dump truck for a load only slightly heavier than that. In the PA mountains it's just barely adequate. Be advised that you will need a cdl to pull that trailer.



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dhermesc

05-24-2004 12:34:00




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 Re: Re: Stronger truck for hauling in reply to JHesler, 05-24-2004 09:45:33  
CDL requirements are based on manufacturer’s Gross Vehicle Ratings of the combined truck and trailer. The overall weight rating may not exceed 26,000 pounds total, and the trailer rating may not exceed 10,000 pounds of the 26,000-pound total. Kansas

I agree - you should be looking at one tons.



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Mike (WA)

05-24-2004 08:27:59




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 Re: Stronger truck for hauling in reply to Too Wet, 05-23-2004 10:08:56  
Probably either a Ford or Dodge diesel would be a good choice- But try for a one ton rather than 3/4 ton. We had an '85 Ford F350 diesel, and it rode very comfortably. Now have a '95 F250 Powerstroke- no complaints except the ride- its too stiff, and you can sure feel it after several hundred miles. As of tomorrow, will have a '99 Dodge 3500- and it rides like the old Ford did. It has "overload" springs, plus a heavier "booster" leaf in the bottom of the regular spring pack- enabling a good ride when unloaded.

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thurlow

05-24-2004 06:17:47




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 Re: Stronger truck for hauling in reply to Too Wet, 05-23-2004 10:08:56  
Been a Dodge man all my life (first one was a '64 model); never had a bad one, although there was a time when you had to wear them out; you couldn't give a used one away..... .given the weight you're pulling, have you considered a one ton dually? I really like having 4 wheels/tires under the gooseneck..... .



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champspa

05-24-2004 06:01:43




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 Re: Stronger truck for hauling in reply to Too Wet, 05-23-2004 10:08:56  
96 dodge cummins 167000 no complaints



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toowet

05-24-2004 09:56:38




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 Re: Re: Stronger truck for hauling in reply to champspa, 05-24-2004 06:01:43  
Just got home from hauling my MF30Industrial loader tractor on the 83"x20' Load Trail. I use a Reese bumper hitch because I need a topper for my organic operation. The ole Dodge does OK on the flat,however, the slopes and start/stop is where she could use a bit more snot for yanking the 11000# around. Looks like a diesel or V10 is in order. I'm thinking the V10 might be a bit spendy with the Bushie increase in fuel. Maybe the cummins would be worth the extra money. Thanks for all the suggestions/comments.
Appreciated.

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Van in AR

05-24-2004 05:35:15




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 Re: Stronger truck for hauling in reply to Too Wet, 05-23-2004 10:08:56  
I have a 2001 2500 with the Cummins, 97,000 miles so far and it is a great truck. I only have one complaint with it and that is you cant keep a front end under it. Rear raduis arms change under warranty at 15K, track bar out at 50K, needs one now, Right front brake wears out faster than left side, also needs rear arms again,(about 150 each from Dodge, X 4) I think I will put the Skyjacker arms on this time with the poly bushings for about $500 and be done with it. I wish Ford would hurry up and start installing Cummins engines in thier trucks, I would swap in a second.
Van

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Robert in W. Mi

05-24-2004 11:17:25




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 Re: Re: Stronger truck for hauling in reply to Van in AR, 05-24-2004 05:35:15  
You won't be seeing the "B" Cummins in a 3/4 or 1 ton Ford for a long time, if ever. Dodge has it sewed up for quite a while yet, and Ford has nothing to do with Cummins, so they have to "wait in line".

With the problems i keep reading about with the new binders in the Fords, it will be interesting to see what they do in the future. I'm hearing they don't like the V6 diesel IH has developed for them, and are now looking for ?? Cummins ?? to develop one for them for there lighty duty line.

Robert

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Van in AR

05-24-2004 20:36:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Stronger truck for hauling in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 05-24-2004 11:17:25  
Ford motor company bought Cummins last year and I read that Dodge has a contract with Cummins until 2006 that Ford has to honor, after that, who knows?
Van



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Robert in W. Mi

05-25-2004 07:28:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Stronger truck for hauling in reply to Van in AR, 05-24-2004 20:36:33  
I hope any other information you put on the net is more accurate than what you just posted about Ford owning Cummins. That is, unless "Ford" hasn't told "Cummins" that they own them yet??? hee he heee

Robert

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Adam B.

05-23-2004 20:12:29




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 Re: Stronger truck for hauling in reply to Too Wet, 05-23-2004 10:08:56  
Had a bad time with GM in the early '80s on the farm and haven't looked at Chevy/GMC trucks since.

I only mentioned that to say Ford carried the load through the rest of the '80s and early '90s, then switched over to Dodge in '93 for the Cummins engines.

The Ford '84 and '85 F-350, 4x4, regular cab, diesel, manual trucks worked great. I don't recall anything unusual with them.

The '85 was replaced by a new '88 F-350, diesel, 5-speed, 4x4, dualie, regular cab chassis. That was dad's first 1-ton dually with a flatbed. It was a great truck. We did lose a transmission, two rear ends and clutch, but that truck pulled a gooseneck trailer to haul bales out of the fields all summer and to the customers and auctions all winter.

He always has been a fan of Cummins power, and when the Dodges started showing up in greater numbers at the hay sales, the '88 Ford was dropped for a '93 Dodge, 3500, dualie, Cummins, 5-speed, 4x4, regular cab chassis. He wanted to stick with the flatbed, but decided to spring for a custom aluminum bed on this one. The bed was great, but I didn't like the truck so much. It was the last year for the 'old style' Dodge and it certainly rode and drove like a dated design. Aside from being uncomfortable, it did work hard without any major problems.

He sold that one and got a new 2000 Dodge, 3500, Cummins H.O., 4x4, 6-speed, Quad-Cab pickup. We kept the aluminum bed from the previous Dodge (a fire department bought the '93 and didn't want the bed anyway) and had the new bed from the 2000 sold almost overnight. This one is quite a truck. It's very comfortable on long hauls, has tons of power and quick response. There's no comparison between the previous Cummins and the newer H.O. version - the thing will really pull. The Quad-Cab is just right for extra storage and occassionally taking a couple extra people along. I'm not so sure I'd like the newer Quad-Cab that looks like a scaled down Crew-Cab, but this older version is nice. There's been some noise in the transmission from the start (apparently a known and common complaint with this 6-speed), but nothing else major (yet). The steering is starting to get some weave in it, and there may be a design problem causing that. I've heard others talk about front suspension components wearing out prematurely under the weight of the heavy diesel. Time will tell, but we're thrilled with it.

We're set on diesels for work, but I've heard good things about the modern gas engines. A guy who does some driving for us has an F-250 with the V-10 and automatic for pulling his camper, and says it's been great. I'd consider one if I were getting into a 3/4 ton truck (the V-10, not the automatic trans.).

If you're talking a new or late-model used Dodge, the Hemi is said to be a brute. With 16 spark plugs and all the other unique design features of the Hemi, it could be pretty expensive to maintain in the long run. That'll be something else to keep an eye on in the coming years.

Good luck shopping.

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toowet

05-24-2004 04:30:38




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 Re: Re: Stronger truck for hauling in reply to Adam B., 05-23-2004 20:12:29  
Adam,
Thanks for your comments. Glad you have had good luck with the Dodge/Cummins.



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