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Propane injection for diesel engines?

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Frank (n.mi.)

01-29-2004 17:13:59




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A couple guys at work were talking about this the other day. Apparently this gives the diesel engine a serious power boost with no bad side affects? Anybody ever hear of this?




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Frank (n.mi.)

01-30-2004 16:30:22




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 Re: Propane injection for diesel engines? in reply to Frank (n.mi.), 01-29-2004 17:13:59  
Thanks all you guys--I just knew I could get great information here. I wondered just how it worked..Shane's explanation helped clear that up...



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Deerejockey

01-30-2004 04:08:38




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 Re: Propane injection for diesel engines? in reply to Frank (n.mi.), 01-29-2004 17:13:59  
Yes there was a kit years ago. It was called a Powermizer Kit. It is much like the red rooster. We had one on a 4010. The kit came with a lp tank and a pyrometer. I am a little fuzzy about all of the details because this tracor left the farm when I was very young. But I remember plowing with my grandpa with an f145 5 bottom and when we hit tought spots he would flip the switch on the dash and the tractor would come to life. At night it would shoot a blue/red flame out of the stack about 4 in tall. This tractor was already turning 125 hp before we flipped the switch. Also I have a neighbot that still runs one of these kits on an 806. This tractor is still in use as a main tractor on his farm.

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T_Bone

01-29-2004 21:42:41




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 Re: Propane injection for diesel engines? in reply to Frank (n.mi.), 01-29-2004 17:13:59  
Hi Frank,

Nothing is for free. For extra power you give up longivity. Too much go juice and you'll replacing push rods, maybe a turbo or some pistons, etc.

Depending on engine make, fuel mileage will increase but usually will equal to the extra fuel cost resulting in a zero gain.

T_Bone



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Nate in IA

01-29-2004 19:21:17




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 Re: Propane injection for diesel engines? in reply to Frank (n.mi.), 01-29-2004 17:13:59  
Saw this done on T.V. Show is called Trucks on Spike TV. Took base hp from 193 to 425? on 7.3 powerstroke. seems outragous serios moods to transmission wasa done as well. website is www.truckstv.com The company that sold the kit was bullydog tech. (close)



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Shane

01-30-2004 09:25:12




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 Re: Re: Propane injection for diesel engines? in reply to Nate in IA, 01-29-2004 19:21:17  
I have also seen an episode on Trucks but it was with a Duramax engine. And it took the horse from 300 to 600 or maybe even more but they also added a chip, nitrious, and different injectors. The propane is pretty much the same as nitrious, it is cold and makes the incoming air more dense which creates more power. Now this particular system was from Bullydog and only kicked in when you mashed on the go pedel, not all the time.

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Buzzman72

01-31-2004 08:29:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Propane injection for diesel engines? in reply to Shane, 01-30-2004 09:25:12  
I was with you right up until you said "(t)he propane is pretty much the same as nitrous..."
Propane is a combustible compound; nitrous oxide is NOT. What makes power with nitrous injection is that, while atmospheric air is approximately 20 percent oxygen, nitrous oxide is 36 percent oxygen by volume. With the addition of nitrous oxide--without additional fuel--it's like taking a torch to your pistons, as you introduce an overlean mixture into the combustion chamber. Propane does NOT lean out the mixture; in fact, without additional air, it will actually RICHEN the mixture in the cylinder.

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Shane

01-31-2004 10:44:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Propane injection for diesel engin in reply to Buzzman72, 01-31-2004 08:29:56  
Hmmm, I suppose you are correct. Thanks for setting me straight!



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Jim

01-29-2004 18:32:06




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 Re: Propane injection for diesel engines? in reply to Frank (n.mi.), 01-29-2004 17:13:59  
There was an article about this in an old Farm Show Magazine, volume 1, number 1, page 9 (it's from 1977). The article claims 20 to 25% more power, 15 to 20% less fuel consumption, less engine maintenance, and 2 to 10 times longer engine life. Supposedly, the engine oil stays very clean, almost like on an LP engine. The company was Acme Carburetion of Mankato, MN, and their kit was called the Red Rooster.

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Jon H

01-29-2004 18:45:03




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 Re: Re: Propane injection for diesel engines? in reply to Jim, 01-29-2004 18:32:06  
I have used the Red Rooster propane injector on a tractor for 25 years and later on a combine. They work very well and as long as you limit the increase to 25% you will do no damage to the engine. Some of the pickup units claim as much as 60% gain,but in my (and red roosters)opinion, thats way too much to be safe. Yes, it is true,in my experience, the oil stays clean longer and you use less gallons total than running on diesel only. The engine runs much quieter,the diesel rattle is gone,sounds like a gas engine. One thing that I do not understand is why the combine engine runs cooler inspite of producing more power with the propane injector on. The Red Rooster system uses a 2 stage regulator and venturi valve which will not overfuel the engine as it lugs down,unlike the crude systems that do not use a regulator.

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buickanddeere

01-29-2004 17:55:43




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 Re: Propane injection for diesel engines? in reply to Frank (n.mi.), 01-29-2004 17:13:59  
LP addition only boosts power if there is extra airflow and spare O2 in the combustion chamber to allow combustion. Addition of LP vapour which is bulky displaces some of the intake air. Works better on turbo engines. Liquid LP is cold and increases overall density. And takes up little extra room used to carry fresh intake air.



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Kent

01-29-2004 17:46:05




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 Re: Propane injection for diesel engines? in reply to Frank (n.mi.), 01-29-2004 17:13:59  
It is very common on the Ford Powerstroke diesel. At www.thedieselstop.com there are quite a few running aftermarket kits and home made units both liquid draw and vapor draw. On these trucks it adds 60+ HP. My dad has told me of old over the road trucks running primative systems that have just a bottle and hose. He said it would put a blue flame out the stack. I have seen the same kind of setup on older farm tractors needing a little more UUUMPH.

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Frank (Mid MI)

01-29-2004 17:30:30




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 Re: Propane injection for diesel engines? in reply to Frank (n.mi.), 01-29-2004 17:13:59  
Was a common sight in my neighborhood in the early 60's and on. Had what I believe would have been a 60 lb. standard bottled gas tank mounted on a step placed in the front of the 4010 JD. Propane input was switchable from the seat. Chopping corn with a two row chopper, if you shut the propane off the Deere would fall right on it's face. I'm sure there may have been a trade-off in wear, but it was a plus in the field.

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Mike M

01-29-2004 17:19:54




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 Re: Propane injection for diesel engines? in reply to Frank (n.mi.), 01-29-2004 17:13:59  
Some once told me about a unit for tractors called the RED Rocket Rooster Booster.



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