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Lincoln

01-10-2004 08:46:03




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Anybody have the tractor parts catalog(can't post the name but used to be CT) with the guy on the Ford tractor pulling some kind of hay rake. There is a mountain of hay behind him. I have never seen hay put up this way. Can someone explain what he is doing.




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Eldon (WA)

01-10-2004 17:29:02




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 Re: What's he doing? in reply to Lincoln, 01-10-2004 08:46:03  

The rake is a large hydraulic trip dump rake used mainly for putting up praire hay nowadays. When I was a kid growing up in south cental South Dakota we used similar rakes (maybe only 14 or 15 feet wide) with a rope to dump them. most had been converted from horse drawn rakes and still had a seat on them. They don't make a very good windrow for baling, so were mainly used when stacking loose hay. Some people used cages to make a perfect haystack, we just guessed at our own piles. We had a B JD that had a high speed reverse and a hay basket (sweep) on the front to buck the windrows into small piles. When all the hay was bucked, my dad would use a hydraulic loader on an AC WD45D to stack the hay with a 12' hay basket on the front with hydraulic push-off to push the hay off the 10 foot long teeth. The B with the sweep was used to bring in the bucks of hay closer to the stack. That's where the hi speed reverse came in. When going in reverse, you never had to lift the sweep off the ground and didn't have to worry about running the teeth into the ground if you hit a ditch.
Many ranchers in the praire states still use double sickle mowers and these large rakes and put up loose hay in large stack. Then in the fall they use big hay sleds that back under the stacks and haul them to a storage/feeding area.

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Eldon (WA)

01-10-2004 17:38:02




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 Re: Re: What's he doing? in reply to Eldon (WA), 01-10-2004 17:29:02  

The reason for using these large dump rakes is because the praire hay is usually so thin that a side rake wouldn't make a big enough windrow. With the dump rake you can go until it gets full and then trip it. You rake perpendicular to the way the hay was cut otherwise it slips through the rake teeth.
We also used dump rakes for cleaning up scattered hay after stacking - and with alfalfa when it was a short or thin crop.

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zoidberg

01-11-2004 06:59:50




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 Re: Re: Re: What's he doing? in reply to Eldon (WA), 01-10-2004 17:38:02  
That is exactly right, and the way it is still done in the area. Poor hay and side delivery rakes just don't work well together. Where about in south Dakota did you come from? The south central is getting pretty empty, but land costs more then ever. What a world. Have a wonderful day. zoidberg



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Eldon (WA)

01-11-2004 09:20:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: What's he doing? in reply to zoidberg, 01-11-2004 06:59:50  

I grew up in Gregory county....just north of the sandhills of nebraska.

If you think land out there is expensive, check around! I just bought 9 acres here in WA and paid $10,000 more than what my 120 acres of farmland in SD is assessed at (and I can't find a buyer at that price)! I've lived in Michigan, Utah, Oregon and WA but SD is still the cheapest by far....ND and WY might be a little cheaper. Sure wish somebody would invent a way to move land....

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Hal/WA

01-12-2004 00:31:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What's he doing? in reply to Eldon (WA), 01-11-2004 09:20:02  
Hi Eldon. Where are you located now in Washington? Some areas have really got expensive and the property taxes are just plain spooky. If you are new to the area, don't be shocked when you get your first tax bill..... I live in Spokane County and pay almost as much for property taxes as my mortgage payment each month.

On the other hand, there are some areas of Washington that are still very reasonably priced, even some West of the Cascades.

I have family all over North and South Dakota and Montana. My family moved here just after WW2 and I was born in Washington. But we have gone to those other states so much to visit, I feel completely at home there. I have thought about moving to NE Montana, where my cousins would let me live in the very good house at the old family homestead for nothing but utilities. Nobody has lived in the house continuously for many years, but they have kept it heated to keep it in good condition. But since most of my kids are here, I will probably stay here to be close to them.

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Eldon (WA)

01-12-2004 07:43:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What's he doing? in reply to Hal/WA, 01-12-2004 00:31:27  

Hi Hal, I live in Spokane county too....Veradale to be exact. My wife and I have been here for 3 years....our one acre just got too small (too many tractors HA)! I agree with the taxes....I thought $850 was bad on 120 acres of farmland in SD....it's $1200 on the 9 acres of farm land we bought here.
Guess they get it from you one way or another..... .email me at ejutah@webtv.net and we can visit some more. Small world!

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zoidberg

01-11-2004 10:27:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What's he doing? in reply to Eldon (WA), 01-11-2004 09:20:02  
I am in Gregory county, on the state line south of Burke. Where you come from must be close to here. Hi neighbor.



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Eldon (WA)

01-11-2004 10:50:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What's he doing? in reply to zoidberg, 01-11-2004 10:27:18  

Hi back to ya! Probably about 15 miles east of you on the Ponca Crick. If you go east on highway 18 a mile east of St. Charles is my brothers dairy farm on the north side. He has the 40 acres with the buildings and I kept the 120 acres to the east. The family farm is 4 miles south of there.



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RJ-AZ

01-10-2004 15:31:50




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 Re: What's he doing? in reply to Lincoln, 01-10-2004 08:46:03  
Lincoln that looks like a scene from the Bitterroot valley of Montana or maybe somewhere in the mountain west ID,WY or UT. It doesn't show the stacker but I'll bet it is a beaverslide type. Thats looks too tall for a Farmhand F10 to reach.



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Bob

01-10-2004 14:15:11




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 Re: What's he doing? in reply to Lincoln, 01-10-2004 08:46:03  
Does this describe what you are talking about?

This is also how we did it in nothern North Dakota, when I was growing up.

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Allan

01-10-2004 14:38:24




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 Re: Re: What's he doing? in reply to Bob, 01-10-2004 14:15:11  
Bob,

Yep, everyone in this country bucked hay also years ago. I think they still use 'em in places down in the sandhills here NE. I know I've seen a lot of stationary stackers still working.

Remember that swinging gate with the two legs hanging down to pull the load back off the sweep when ya backed up?

Wish we had a picture so we knew what he was talking about.

This brings to mind the time we had to cut a haystack in half (My dad was known for building some huge stacks.

Anyway, he took two tractors, one on either side of the stack, drapped a long length of barbed wire over the stack and hooked each end to a tractor drawbar. Then he and the neighbor used those two tractors to cut the stack in two, much like a two-man lumber saw. Cut that stack in two like a knife thru butter.

Allan

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stan

01-10-2004 09:09:24




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 Re: What's he doing? in reply to Lincoln, 01-10-2004 08:46:03  
I haven't seen the picture, but long long ago my dad would put hay in rows then bunch thoes rows into a lot of piles (shocks) throught the whole field when the hay was ready to be bailed he would bring the shocks to one central area to a stationary bailer with his buck rake (snakes and all) and manually feed the hay into the bailer. wires were feed by hand and tied by hand. Now one person could do the same job as around 7 people.

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paul

01-10-2004 13:32:50




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 Re: Re: What's he doing? in reply to stan, 01-10-2004 09:09:24  
I was always going to ask this same question, that sure is a MOUND of hay, never saw anything done like that before! Hope someone has the answer.... It sure doesn't look like a windrow, shock, or rebaling operation - anything that would have been done in the northern states anyhow.

--->Paul



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