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bcPA

01-05-2004 12:09:20




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My neighbor told me the other day that starting the 1st of this year that when you chain down a tractor on a trailer and you use 2 chains, one front and one back you are required to use a chain binder at the end of each chain. In effect 4 binders which equals one on each corner. He works for pennsylvanias dept of trans. plowing snow and moving equipment on a trailer. I dont know if this is a new federal or state law. He also mentioned something about buckets must be secured now with chain. Anyone know anything about this. THANK YOU

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Bret

01-06-2004 18:25:28




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 Re: new laws for chaining in reply to bcPA, 01-05-2004 12:09:20  
To be exact- If you are in commerce and you have a truck OR trailer with a gross vehicle weight rating, GVWR, over 10,000 lbs there are now commodity specific tie down requirements. Starting 01/04/04 the requirement is that equipment be secured by two sepaerate chains at each end of the machine at the tie down points closest to the front and back of the machine. If it has a boom or bucket that too must be tied down. The tie down used must meet the minimum safe working load required by the weight of the equipment and the hardware also must meet that weight. This is the Federal law. It does not apply if you are NOT in commerce or if the GVWR is NOT over 10,000 lbs. Your state may have it's own laws and I would suggest you call your State Police or whoever handles DOT inspections and check. There are almost as many "urban legends" regarding the tie downs as the new Hours of Service rules. I advise guys to play it safe and chain the snot out of their loads. BTW- 2 tie downs in the first 10 feet doesn't apply to the commodity specific tie requirements. To a regular load it would, pipe, lumber, etc. The new commodity specifc rules apply to equipment, concrete pipe, large rocks and boulders, junk cars, steel coils and few other things that slip my mind.

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john

01-06-2004 19:26:42




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 Re: Re: new laws for chaining in reply to Bret, 01-06-2004 18:25:28  
Ok so educate me..... .
Where did you get the info that says you need two tiedowns on each end of a 5000 lb tractor.
Where does it say that a 9000 lb gvw truck does not have to follow the rules for safe tiedown. How does the 10ft rule not apply to equiptment. I am all ways willing to be proved wrong and learn some thing.



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Bret

01-09-2004 18:56:51




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 Re: Re: Re: new laws for chaining in reply to john, 01-06-2004 19:26:42  
Everything is in the FMCSA DOT book. The new tie down requirement says 2 seperate chains at each end. It's that simple. A 9000 GVWR does not fall under the definition of a commercial vehicle and therefore does not have to meet the FMCSA tie down requirements. Yes, it still has to be tied down safely, but not to DOT's requirement, unless you have a state law saying so. The 10 foot rule applies unless there's a specific tie down requirement elsewhere- as in the specific commodity tie down requirement for equipment. The tie down requirement doesn't make reference to the weight of the equipment, other than the chain has to meet the load standard. As usual the FMCSA DOT rules are contradictory in spots. I suggest adding additional tiedowns if you feel they are needed. Safety first. DOT has a website although I don't have the address in front of me. I find it refreshing that someone is recommending more than is required. Most of the guys I run into try to do the bare minimum they can get away with.

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John

01-10-2004 09:16:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: new laws for chaining in reply to Bret, 01-09-2004 18:56:51  
Not to make a federal case out of it but I love a debate because some one all ways learns something. Unlike you I will give you the numbers so you can look it up.

Yes it is all in the hand book and it does make referance to the weight of the equiptment. 49CFR-SEC 393.130 says the four tie down rule only applys to 10,000lb equiptment and above. Under 10,000 lb equiptment can use this or may use 393.128 or 393.100 to 114. 393.128 says you only need 2 tiedowns thats one front and one rear. 393.100 to 114 is the ten foot rule for comitties.

All so I will give you that a 9,000 gvwr does not fall under DOT rule. But it was debated by trailer manufactures and companys during the rule discussion period about small trucks. I can not find the outcome so I will have to backdown on this point but I do remember the DOT saying something like for saftey of all this rule would apply to ALL cargo carring vechicals.

You sound to be someone that has pounded a lot of blacktop over the years. So from someone that has pounded blacktop for over 25 years (ME) let me add BE SAFE OUT THERE!! your family and mine needs all of us to arrive alive !!!!! !

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john

01-06-2004 04:21:11




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 Re: new laws for chaining in reply to bcPA, 01-05-2004 12:09:20  
while this may be a new federal law for 2004 I have not heard of any changes that were planed and can not check as I do not have the 2004 book yet.

It is very posiable it is a state law as states can make any laws they want as long as they are as strict as the federal standard.

Both Ray and Truck have given you part of the standard but did not say how it applies and I do not blame them as DOT laws can be hard to understand. The part on tie downs is 40 pages long just by it self; so let me add this.
2003 federal standard says.

393.130a,b,c says that if a machine weighs over 10,000 lbs it must be tied down with at least 4 tiedowns and they must be affixed as close to front and rear as practicable.
It allso says if under 10,000 lbs you can use this rule or use 393.100 thru 393.114 or 393.128

100 thru 114 is the basic rules for material tie down and has a clause that says you must have 2 tie downs plus 1 more for every 10 feet. (11 ft = 3 tiedowns)

128 is the rule that most of us follow and covers autos and trucks under 10,000 lbs. It says; must be restrained at front and rear with minimum of 2 tiedowns. (thats 1 on front and 1 on rear)

Hope this clears it up
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John

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john

01-06-2004 18:18:17




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 Re: Re: new laws for chaining in reply to john, 01-06-2004 04:21:11  
Well you got me curious about this new rule so I went checking. While I did not read it all (long) I think your friend was confussed because while the new law took effect Dec 22 2002 companies had until Jan 1 2004 to comply. So the rule is as I stated in my other post. Do not know about your local law.

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Ray

01-05-2004 16:28:27




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 Re: new laws for chaining in reply to bcPA, 01-05-2004 12:09:20  
That's been the law for a couple years,just not
inforced very well.Now there going to press it.
1 chain per 10 ft of cargo,minumum of 2 chains.



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cosmo

01-05-2004 14:43:54




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 Re: new laws for chaining in reply to bcPA, 01-05-2004 12:09:20  
If this is true a chain-binder salesman must have bought this law.



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Truck

01-05-2004 16:53:06




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 Re: Re: new laws for chaining in reply to cosmo, 01-05-2004 14:43:54  
I believe the federal tie down regulation stipulates on wheeled equipment there must be one independent tie down in each corner. Each tie down must be tight and secure. I don't think they are saying you need a binder on each chain, but I do not know any way to accomplish this without at least TWO binders. What they are atempting to get away from is the use of one chain per end of a wheeled machine. Yes it does work, but if you cut one link, then the machine is loose on your trailer. At least when you use two independent chains, or set up your long single chain as two independent chains, one broken link leaves one chain still holding that end of the load. Remember they are thinking about the machine staying with the trailer and not becoming a projectile in an accident. Most single chain hookups would be perfectly safe if there were no emergency stopping or manuevering, or accidents. Go to any large farm equipment auction on sale day and you will see many loads that could be ticketed for unsecured load. Sure ould be nice if these folks got smart before DOT decides to target tractor haulers.....

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Cosmo

01-06-2004 11:36:42




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 Re: Re: Re: new laws for chaining in reply to Truck, 01-05-2004 16:53:06  
I stand chastised.



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