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04terry

12-19-2003 09:28:33




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The first tractor that my dad purchased was a
F-12 Farmall. He had farmed with horses until
he made this purchase.

During the depression, he told about the local elevator offering 2 cents a bushel for shell corn.
For earn corn, the elevator price was 2 cents less. They didn't want to say that they couldn't give you anything for the ear corn!

One day the banker come out to see my dad. He said "you haven't made the payments on your tractor and I am going to have to repossess it."
My dad told the banker that he understood and that
he wouldn't have any hard feelings. My dad also
said that if you take the tractor, I will never have an opportunity to pay for it. The banker thought about that for a while and said, I know you are an honest man and someday this dry cycle will end and things will get better. I also know that when this happens, you will pay for the tractor, so you just go ahead and keep it.

I remember D-day, 1944 when the local IH dealer
delivered a bright shiny H Farmall and took the old F-12 in trade. I was a little over 2 1/2
years old.

I thought I would share this story with you after
reading a post that John Deere didn't repossess any tractors during the depression. I would think that most tractor loans were handled through the banks back then, therefore JD would have been out of the loop.

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buickanddeere

12-20-2003 08:47:50




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 Re: bankers/depression years story in reply to 04terry, 12-19-2003 09:28:33  
My Grandfather grew up,married and started farming during the depression. Sad to say he spent the next 60+ years looking for another depression.



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john

12-20-2003 23:03:37




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 Re: Re: bankers/depression years story in reply to buickanddeere, 12-20-2003 08:47:50  
I think that is the saddest thing to come out of the depression.
To this day I can hear my mom saying you need to save; keep your bills low; stock pile what ever;ECT..... ... never know you may wake up tomorrow and we will be in another depression.



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Joe (Wa)

12-21-2003 18:45:15




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 Re: Re: Re: bankers/depression years story in reply to john, 12-20-2003 23:03:37  
John,

You have to live through it to understand. I grew up in the '40-'50's, in an orphanage and later a foster home on a small dairy farm. My foster parents were in their 50's and products of the depression. I understand exactly why they are the way they are.

Joe



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KURT

12-20-2003 03:37:44




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 Re: bankers/depression years story in reply to 04terry, 12-19-2003 09:28:33  
After thinking for a minute, even if IH or Deere did repo a tractor who would buy it. No had money. And the tractor would just sit idle in a lot somewhere. And then rust away. It would be better for the buyer to keep it and run it and then make the payments later.



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Buzzman72

12-20-2003 07:27:37




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 Re: Re: bankers/depression years story in reply to KURT, 12-20-2003 03:37:44  
I'm not as old as a lot of you, but I know a little bit about the farm equipment business, seeing as how my family was in it from 1941 to 1991. This talk about repossessions during the Depression, and whether or not they occurred very often...seems to me like you're trying to look back at those days thru a modern prism. As I've been told, the selling on credit of farm equipment--unless it was done thru a LOCAL banker--was a rare circumstance back then. You either paid cash, saved up until you could pay cash, or you did without...or so I've been told. Dad always told me that they always seemed to have some money during the depression because his dad was a mechanic, and a lot of folks didn't understand machinery back then...and Dad's grandfather was a barber, and HE always seemed to have money back then, too...I guess not everybody went without haircuts then.

In the early '30's, both Granddad and his father-in-law (the barber) built new homes; Granddad had his built by a quality carpenter (and it's still a fine-looking house yet today), but his father-in-law hired "day laborers"...winos, bums, whoever he could get to work cheap...and the house showed it. There wasn't a level floor in it! And on top of that, to save money on lumber, he had the house framed up out of low-demand red beech lumber...ever try to drive a nail in red beech? Better drill a hole first! That was the house I grew up in, and as long as you were on the right side of the room, your marbles always came back to you!

Still, these folks faced a lot of hardships. My mom's family had just taken out a big loan on the farm right before prices crashed, and they struggled just to keep the farm. Sold eggs, milk, chickens, cattle...raised their own garden, and planted their own apple, peach, and pear trees. Grandma's dad was a storekeeper, so onec in awhile they'd go to the store and the kids might get some penny candy or some ice cream.

So the farmers were the ones who made do with what they had, and the folks in town were the ones with a little money...but they weren't gonna buy the tractors, 'cause they generally had no place to use them. And since bankers weren't in the realty or machinery resale business (as a lot of them seemed to be from the '70's until today), they'd generally let a loan to a good customer ride until he COULD pay them back.

Or at least that's what I've been told.

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Allan

12-19-2003 18:16:16




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 Re: bankers/depression years story in reply to 04terry, 12-19-2003 09:28:33  
Oh Boy, what a thread.

My Dad always told of his having to eat lard sandwiches.

All his life he was frugile. Would not spend a dime if he could get by some other way.

Those times must have been rough, fellas.

Allan



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ErnieD

12-19-2003 12:33:06




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 Re: bankers/depression years story in reply to 04terry, 12-19-2003 09:28:33  
So I got to share my story. In 1972 or so I was cleaning the upstairs of the "garage". I came across two wore out tires and heaved them on the hay rack. Dad had tears in his eyes when he saw those tires on the rack. "Why are you throwing those truck tires out?" Well dad, one is bald, the cord is showing and the other has a sidewall hole you can throw a cat through. Why are you keeping them?
Well son during the depression you did not know when they would be better than what you had..
Dad, we don't even have have anything they would fit. The tires made it to the dump.

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Jimmy King

12-19-2003 11:57:06




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 Re: bankers/depression years story in reply to 04terry, 12-19-2003 09:28:33  
My Mom and Dad were married in 1936 They lived o in a house on Granddads farm were married just 50 years plus Mom still lives in the house, I was born in it and can look out the window from this computer and see it. R E A was comming in so Dad got a job digging holes to make enought money to wire the house. He has told me he was milking 7 cows making $7.00 a week and they usually had a dollar left over after expences. They saved $.50 a week and bought an AC/DC radio Granddad saw it and thought they are doing better than I thought so he started charging rent. Dad bought a cow for $5.00 leasted it to the local Dairy that had a delivery for a dollar a week after eight weeks sold it to the dairy for $5.00. Dad never had a lot of money but was always able to come up with the money when he needed something.

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Les...fortunate

12-19-2003 09:34:48




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 Re: bankers/depression years story in reply to 04terry, 12-19-2003 09:28:33  
I like that story. Especially the corn part. ";^)
My father grew up in the depression but it really was no big deal to them since they never had much money anyway. It was during those years that they got their first car, a second hand '28 Chevrolet.



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O4terry

12-19-2003 09:46:00




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 Re: Re: bankers/depression years story in reply to Les...fortunate, 12-19-2003 09:34:48  
You are right about folks back then not having anything. My folks had a Durant that was given to my mother by her brother who was gassed during
WW I and eventually died.

My dad said that he would have left the country, but didn't have enough money to even do that!

Back then farmers were dependent upon each other
because they often needed help from a neighbor, especially at harvest time. I go back home now, and the neighbors don't neighbor anymore.

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sod

12-19-2003 10:50:12




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 Re: Re: Re: bankers/depression years story in reply to O4terry, 12-19-2003 09:46:00  
We are neighbors. Right here. Warts and all.
good luck
sod



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Rusty Jones

12-20-2003 09:40:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: bankers/depression years story in reply to sod, 12-19-2003 10:50:12  
Well, I was born in 1924, so that makes me kinda ancient! My Grand-dad lived on the farm during the depression, and farmed with horses. They mailed out a big tin box of eggs every week, to some buyer. They also grew and raised all of their food. They didn't have much income--they took care of the farm because it belonged to a rich man from the area, and he needed somebody to keep it in good condition, not let it go fallow! I don't think they paid much rent. I'd go there during the summer to stay. My brother and sister weren't old enough to stay there. My Dad lost his house in the depression! A better off fellow with cash paid off the mortgage! (I think it was less than $2000) And we got the boot! Dad made $200 a month, which made me frugal in my spending! Even now, if some jerk says I'm tight, i just say:"Not tight, just frugal." Yeah, times were tough back then, and i think the Gov't is trying to engineer us back into another one!

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Rusty Jones

12-21-2003 09:57:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bankers/depression years story in reply to Rusty Jones, 12-20-2003 09:40:53  
I found out about conditions in Tn. back in the spring of 1944, whilst i was on Tennesee Manouvers, with the 78th. Division! Many folks lived in poverty, or less. We happened upon a family, father, mother, 3 kids, living in a 1 room log cabin, dirt floor, heated by a big fire-place, no electricity, a small barn and a mule! They put a couple of us up for the night, as we had become separated from our unit! We slept in the barn, and for breakfast had fat-back and beans with them! When we left, they were $20 richer! Of course, he was too proud to take any money, but the mule never said a word, when we stuffed it under his harness, hanging by the barn door! RJ

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steveormary

12-20-2003 21:06:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bankers/depression years story in reply to Rusty Jones, 12-20-2003 09:40:53  

One of Dads cousins grew up in eastern TN. said they didnt even know there was a depression untill 1942.



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