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Installing Piston Sleeves

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stan

12-02-2003 01:14:47
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I am instaling an engine kit in my 3 cylinder perkins diesel engine. The information I read says to use a press to push in the sleevs. Then it says you can also use a block of wook and pound the sleeves in with a hammer, if no press is available. Do the dry sleeves in this engine go in real hard, or can you actually use a block of wood and pound them in?




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RJ-AZ

12-02-2003 17:21:16
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 Re: Installing Piston Sleeves in reply to stan, 12-02-2003 01:14:47  
Everbody has good advice on freezing the sleeves prior to installation. Heres another tip though. A friend called me all agitated cause a sleeve had hung up on him. I went over and rigged a 10 ton hyd jack and a chain wrapped around the block to press it the rest of the way in. LOL :)



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TimC

12-02-2003 11:30:47
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 Re: Installing Piston Sleeves in reply to stan, 12-02-2003 01:14:47  
I frooze a set for a Jubilee for about an hour. They pretty much contract as much as they are going to by that time. I set a round peice of aluminum about half in thick on the top and knocked them in. Make sure you start them straight and they should go in fairly easy. The only problem i had was the condensate building up on the sleeve that would splatter out when the sleeve bottemed out. Glasses take care of that so you can keep your eyes open. The hammer will bounce back when the sleeve bottems out provided you are using something other than wood.

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BMartin

12-02-2003 11:27:41
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 Re: Installing Piston Sleeves in reply to stan, 12-02-2003 01:14:47  
Stan, I put sleeves in a Farmall M by spraying propane gas on them. They got cold enough to slip in the block with very little pushing. Be sure to wear gloves, propane is very cold.



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Irv

12-02-2003 07:59:53
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 Re: Installing Piston Sleeves in reply to stan, 12-02-2003 01:14:47  
I froze the sleeves also. I put a space heater under the block too. I probably had a 50+ degree temp. difference. A cast iron block will expand at approx. .000020 per degree / per inch. A 4 inch distance should be approx. .00008 x 50 degrees gets you .004 more clearence. However, the block will not expand equally in all directions - your results may vary! Good luck ! Irv.



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Chris-se-ILL

12-02-2003 06:54:30
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 Re: Installing Piston Sleeves in reply to stan, 12-02-2003 01:14:47  
You can use a (thick) block of wood and a sledge (or heavy shop hammer) on some dry sleeves. I have installed well over a dozen dry sleeves in blocks, when I worked in an automotive machine shop. We always used a block and sledge. But the freezer-trick may be a better choice if it is available.

Be SURE of your clearances and mic (and match or number) the bores and the sleeves, and make sure that the "press-fit" tolerances are within the specified range. When we bored a block for a sleeve... we would always wait till the sleeve was in the shop, before boring, so that we could measure the sleeve for the proper bore sizing. If you run into too much "press-fit interference"... you have a major problem. Yes, dry sleeves are thin, but they will take a pretty good beating... as long as you hit it "square on the top" (if it needs some help seating the sleeve in the bore)! Use a 4" thick, wide block of oak (not pine or soft wood) if you do need to drive the sleeve. Have an assistant (wearing gloves, eye, AND ear protection) hold the block (keeping it square and constantly against the sleeve top), so that the person swinging the hammer can strike a square (and firm) blow on the block of wood. Do not let the block bounce too much or become off centered. Do not strike the block till it is firmly aligned (touching the entire rim) across the top of the sleeve.

Good luck!

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marlowe

12-02-2003 06:03:12
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 Re: Installing Piston Sleeves in reply to stan, 12-02-2003 01:14:47  
be very carfull because the sleeves are VERY thin and hard and will brake easy. DO NOT pound or you will bust them. get them cold [over night]and they will go in with a little pushing. clean up the bore in the block and move FAST. you have one shot at it or you will have to pull the sleeve and thats no fun. colder the better for sleeves warmer the better for the block. good luck



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Greasy John (Or)

12-02-2003 05:54:53
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 Re: Installing Piston Sleeves in reply to stan, 12-02-2003 01:14:47  
Hello Stan, never did a 3 banger but have sleeved deveral 4 cyls. I found a big variation in the finish O.D of the perkins sleeves some go easy and some I have had to hone the block and still took 20+tons on the press. Hope the freezer thing works. Wonder if anyone else ever ran into the perkins problem of pistons being of different wrist pin to top length variations. Had them hit the valves and a canadian mech said they had to be installed-- measured then turned to height worked ever time after that. John (Or)

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Greasy John (Or)

12-02-2003 05:47:53
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 Re: Installing Piston Sleeves in reply to stan, 12-02-2003 01:14:47  
Hello Stan, never did a 3 banger but have sleeved deveral 4 cyls. I found a big variation in the finish O.D of the perkins sleeves some go easy and some I have had to hone the block and still took 20+tons on the press. Hope the freezer thing works. Wonder if anyone else ever ran into the perkins problem of pistons being of different wrist pin to top length variations. Had them hit the valves and a canadian mech said they had to be installed-- measured then turned to height worked ever time after that. John (Or)

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rustyfarmall

12-02-2003 05:01:57
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 Re: Installing Piston Sleeves in reply to stan, 12-02-2003 01:14:47  
Put the sleeves in the deep freeze overnight, make sure the engine block is at room temperature, and then bring those sleeves out one at a time, they should just drop in. I have had no experience with a perkins, but I think this should work.



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Roy in UK

12-02-2003 05:14:28
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 Re: Re: Installing Piston Sleeves in reply to rustyfarmall, 12-02-2003 05:01:57  
Works for bearing shells too. (e.g. tractor front wheel bearings)put them in the deep freeze overnight and they usually slot into place a treat.



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Drill

12-02-2003 15:37:50
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 Re: Re: Re: Installing Piston Sleeves in reply to Roy in UK, 12-02-2003 05:14:28  
I've done various Perkins engines, 6 cyl and 4 cyl with no problems. I use a cylnder hone to clean up the block, then, like the other gentlemen say, put the sleves in the deep freeze over nite, they will drop right in. You might need a little tap to seat them all the way down.



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