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What's good for the Goose(neck)?

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Indydirtfarmer

11-21-2003 02:45:30

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I just bought a 2004 Dodge Ram diesel, with all the bells and whistles. Now my old "bumper hitch" trailer is the "weak link" in my tractor hauling set-up. Time for a new trailer too. I want a gooseneck, with a "deck-over bed", at least 20' not including the dovetail, a GVW of somewhere around 16,000lbs (or more), and fold-down ramps. I've looked at Corn Pro, and a brand that seems to be "local" by the name of Ridgeline. Any idea's. What have you all learned about trailers from your own experience? NO MORE BUMPER HITCH! Thanks, John

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Chances R

11-22-2003 05:27:38

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Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 02:45:30

I would think that a Corn Pro would be the right choice for you. There is other trailers as good or maybe even better out there though. I like my Corn Pro. Incase anyone wants to know the tractors in the pictures are a 1950 IB Allis and a 1950 Custom.

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bob

11-21-2003 22:25:58

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Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 02:45:30

just bought Econoline 21' tiltbed. Great. They build all sizes; just look'em up on the net.

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Scott

11-21-2003 16:51:43

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Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 02:45:30

I pull both a Delta and a Better-Built gooseneck trailers. Both are 24' (20' flat + 4' flip-up dovetail). Both are rated at 14,000 GVW. All things considered, the Delta is a better trailer. I think the website is www.deltatrailers.com. They are made in Arkansas, but have dealers all over. Another thing, I have a 2003 Dodge 2500 4x4 with the high output Cummins and the best thing I have put on it is an exhaust brake. I can stop so much better pulling a load (or empty) and I don't have to depend on the service brakes as much. We pull in a mountainous region so I'm always concerned about getting my rig stopped.

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david stephenson

11-21-2003 14:09:56

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Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 02:45:30

just make sure you get a trailer made with something beside trailer axle and tire setup they work great for light hauling but for hauling tractors or scrap iron like i did with my 74 shelby made in okla the axle and suspension wont hold up, i work for a company here in des moines that cuts steel channel angle and i beams used in making trailer in iowa,minn,kansas. and make sure the beavertail is welded to the main frame of the trailer, i will be looking for a tilt bed gooseneck next spring for hauling farm tractors again. and alwys check brake and light to see they are working right.

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Joel Harman

11-21-2003 09:58:37

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Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 02:45:30

Look at Hillsboro - made in KS.

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Fighting suburbia in NC

11-21-2003 09:12:24

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Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 02:45:30

Congrats on the new truck - my 96 CTD Dodge 3/4 ton SRW has hauled everything I could fit on my gooseneck so far. When looking at trailers be sure to get brakes on both axles if a dual axle. Some trailers come with only trailing axle brakes. You didn't say if you went with training wheels on the new truck but they help tame the sway of larger loads better than the SRW. Make sure you get a good hitch setup specifically for the 03/04 Dodge - the rail systems are sturdy and I have heard good things about the B&W Turn-Over ball.

Keep both your truck and trailer brakes adjusted and use a good trailer brake controller and you will still be able to go faster than you can "whoa". If you want to start an argument on any truck forum just get a discussion started on the Prodigy versus the Jordan controllers. Having used both I now have the Jordan in my 96. My old Dodge has a Voyager so I sit on both sides of the fence.

For all the info you could possibly want on your truck (and a great group of CTD guys) try www.dieseltruckresource.com - tell Jack or Lary that redramnc sent you.

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sammy the RED

11-21-2003 08:56:50

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Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 02:45:30

Have had a 25' goose neck, w/bevertail, Kiefer Built trailer since '92. No problems with it yet.

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Mark

11-21-2003 07:58:06

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Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 02:45:30

My dad has a BigTex trailer. They are very well built, I would say overbuilt meaning they are built stronger than their rating. He started with their 22k rated model but that combined with the 99 Ford 1-ton dually, made his CGVW? more than 26k. This we were told required a CDL to run unless it was for farm use within 150 mile of the farm. So he trade it in on a 14k model. just something to thing about.

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rustyfarmall

11-21-2003 14:46:50

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Re: Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Mark, 11-21-2003 07:58:06

Just because the combined unit has that capacity does not mean you have to load it that heavy. You could license the rig for 20,000#, and as long as you don't exceed that you would be legal.

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john

11-22-2003 05:03:36

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Re: Re: Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-21-2003 14:46:50

CDL goes by GVWR spell it out. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating
You have a 12 yard dump truck and haul feathers.Your GVW is 25,000 lbs. You still need a CDL because truck is RATED at 46,000 lbs.
The out Indy will have is it has to be commercial use. Pickups even one ton with pickup body are considered personal use unless proven other wise. But be forewarned you are playing russian roulette if you make one penny.

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Hal

11-21-2003 18:02:09

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Re: Re: Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-21-2003 14:46:50

I don't believe this is true. Police/DOT whoever will go by the weight on the trailer tag plus the truck MGVW, although if you are having one built for you you could ask the builder to tag it lower, or there are blank tags available. The lightest dual tandem will be around 18,000 (2 9K axles) and if the truck is 9-10K, then you are over CDL, at least in NY. You are probably better off taking a chance on being overweight than being over CDL and not having the proper license, unless you can do the farm thing and stay within 150 miles then you will be home free.

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kyhayman

11-21-2003 07:32:10

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Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 02:45:30

John,

With your semi I'd go with a more 'modest' trailer now and then get a 30' or 36' if you need it later (and use the Kenworth for it).

Also, I'd avoid the deck over hitch. One of my customers has a 26' plus deck over the ball. It really wants to rock side to side if I load the front part. I use a 20' + 5' dovetail from Trailer Parts and Sales in L-burg (Joe Denny owns it, good guy to work with, if you go look stop, by and I'll buy you a cup of coffee, I'm less than a mile down the road.). Good trailer, priced right. Got 2-7500# axles. Does great up to 130% of GTWR. Just recently used a 26' with dual tandem on it, the extra tires take a lot of sway out of hauling.

On mine, I can haul 188 square bales or 11 rolls without the board on the dovetail (I didnt get fold down ramps; big mistake). Get 225 with the board on. Any more and I use a longer trailer.

Your truck will do fine. I've got an '01 2500 Dodge with a 24v Cummins. Never had any problem pulling anything I could hook to it as fast or faster than I could stop it.

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Indydirtfarmer

11-21-2003 14:05:41

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Re: Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to kyhayman, 11-21-2003 07:32:10

I'm going to try and make it down to your friends trailer sales. The more I look, the more I know. By "deck-over" I mean the deck above the wheels, and no fenders to contend with. I have drove a friends rig, with the deck on top of the hitch. NO WAY! I'm leaning towards 2 axle, with dual wheels. (More stability under load) For what I need this trailer for, I want 24 foot, + the dovetail. If I can get a "safe" 16,000 GVW, I'll be more than covered. Well, the wife is calling me to dinner, so I'm out'a here. Thanks John

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Don Wadge

11-21-2003 06:38:08

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Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 02:45:30

Well, I guess the popular thing is to like goosenecks. But, unless you're going big and heavy I don't see the advantage and there are a few disadvantages. I have had two goosenecks previously and both were two axle, usual trailer thing to pull. For a couple of years when the kids were "real expensive" I didn't have a good truck so I sold my gooseneck trailer and found out I really needed one so I bought a light duty 20' bumper pull with tandem axles. This trailer actually pulled quite nicely but wasn't good for more than 7,000lbs. The trailer was one of those between the fender deals which is low but wouldn't handle wider tractors like R, 820,830 John Deere etc. So, I later rebuilt the trailer by putting another 4" frame member underneath the existing frame but spaced 3" between (total frame depth 11"). I then put 3 axles on the trailer. This raised my deck to within 4" of the top of my fenders and now I have a trailer that is reasonably low but can accomodate anything up to legal max width. Also, the new frame members are 4' longer than the old frame so I angled the deck down to the end of the new lower frame members and so my trailer deck is now 24' and the last 4' of the deck slope down about 7" so the rear of my trailer is still no higher than it was when it was the original between the frame style. As I said this was a nice trailer to pull before I did this but the addition of the 3rd axle just made this the smoothest, most stable, true pulling trailer I have ever experienced. Going down the highway you could actually forget you had it with you. Now one of the major advantages with the bumper hitch is that we can put the truck camper on the truck and go to the show or for the longer hauls my wife goes with me and it's a holiday.
I don't usually haul loads over about 12,000lbs. but I recently hauled an old Versatile 125 with fluid in the tires which would put it in the +16,000lb. class and the trailer performed the same as it has with the lighter loads. The reason a lot of bumper hitch trailers are bad to pull compared to a gooseneck is that they are short and many have the axles too close to the center of the trailer.

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Navy Chief

11-21-2003 06:01:58

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Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 02:45:30

Hey Indy;
Congrats on the Dodge. I have a '99 2500 4x4 with the Cummins. I Have a 24' Williams gooseneck, that was a straight deck, until I finally put a tail on it. I have pulled bumper, and tried all of the different hitch contraptions, but nothing beats the Gooseneck. I have had my uncle's two Minnie "U"s on it and never had a problem. Good luck. They all hve their strong and weak points.
R/Eric

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Van

11-21-2003 04:45:45

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Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 02:45:30

I have a 25' felling with a 5' dovetail with the three axle setup. The trailer pulls great. The only drawback to the triple axle setup is no sharp turns on pavement while loaded to prevent tire scrub. The dual tandoms also have tire scrub, but not as bad. Dual tandoms normally have 10K axles or 20K combined capacity. The trips have 7K axles and combined capacity of 21K. For long trips and rough roads I like the walking beam trips for a smooth ride. Be sure and get a good quality landing gear, I've seen them from marginal to excellant. Also make sure it has "Quality" 10 ply tires on it with the right load rating.
Van

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rustyfarmall

11-21-2003 04:30:09

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Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 02:45:30

I have a trailer with the 20ft. deck plus the 5ft. dovetail, equipped with 14,000 pound axles.
If I had it to do over again, I would go with a minimum 25ft. deck plus 5ft. dovetail, and a minimum 20,000 axles. I think you have enough truck to handle something like this, so I wouldn't go any smaller. I can haul 2 tractors on mine, if they are both narrow fronts, if the tractors had wide fronts, I could get only one on it. Mine is a Trav-a-long brand, have had several comments on how well it is designed and built. As in everything else, look at several brands before buying, get down and crawl under the trailer and take a good look, some of them are not designed very well, and some are just plain shoddy workmanship. Send me an e-mail, I will tell you which brand to not buy.

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George Bickel

11-21-2003 06:24:42

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Re: Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to rustyfarmall, 11-21-2003 04:30:09

What trailers don't you like? Have you looked at Texas Bragg? They seem o.k. but I am not 100%. Do you have URLs for the ones you like / dislike?
Thanks,
George

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Burlgoat

11-21-2003 19:28:52

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Re: Re: Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to George Bickel, 11-21-2003 06:24:42

George, I pull a Texas-Bragg 20/4ft. beaver-tail.It pulls & handles real good.They seem to be built real well no problems with mine. I pull it with a 2003 Dodge 1 ton dually.I pulled it with a 1999 3/4 ton Dodge before I bought the dually.

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rustyfarmall

11-21-2003 07:29:19

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Re: Re: Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to George Bickel, 11-21-2003 06:24:42

I only know of one brand which I will not consider, and that is because of the way it is constructed. The dovetail is built separately from the trailer, and is then welded on, rather than being an integral part the trailer frame, and is a very clumsy looking contraption, but they sell them just as fast as they can make them because of the price. I hesitate to mention which brand, because they are located close to where I live.

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John A

11-21-2003 04:02:53

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Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 02:45:30

Indy, Once you go to gooseneck, on any kind of trailer you will never go back. On an impliment trailer go 10,000 lb axles. Maybe some overkill but you have it when you need it. Enjoy the Move!
Later,
John A.

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Lowell

11-21-2003 05:20:28

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Re: Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to John A, 11-21-2003 04:02:53

I have a 30' triple axle (includes beavertail) made by L & L of Antler,Olka. I love it. Smooth ride and can get 3 tractors on it for a short ride. But its going to be for sale, because it is just too big for an old man. My new one will be an L & L trailer 24' with drive over fenders and only 27 inches off the ground. You'll love the gooseneck. Just remember to pretend you are a big semi when you turn. Lowell

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Farm w/Junk

11-21-2003 11:48:44

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Re: Re: Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Lowell, 11-21-2003 05:20:28

You are selling your trailor? Email me I maybe interested. Thanks
Matt

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Garry

11-21-2003 07:56:02

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Re: Re: Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Lowell, 11-21-2003 05:20:28

You'll enjoy the 27" hight over the wheel gooseneck. This is mine. 26 ft plus dovetail and ramps all the way across.

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Indydirtfarmer

11-21-2003 05:45:06

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Re: Re: Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Lowell, 11-21-2003 05:20:28

Driving with a gooseneck will be my equivelent of a "compact car". I have a Kenworth road tractor, and a 38' grain trailer. I also have a Loadcraft low-boy. (3 axle) John

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Lowell

11-21-2003 08:54:20

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Re: Re: Re: Re: What's good for the Goose(neck)? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-21-2003 05:45:06

Great!!! You know what your doing. If it wasn't so sad I'd tell you about my first time. Lowell

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