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OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING

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RayP(MI)

11-07-2003 15:05:52




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Received the following e-mail today. Thought it would be appropriate to pass on to all my Michigan friends:

Tursday, November 06, 2003 8:36 AM


From John Hiplle Sr.

We received this from our daughter who lives downstate---we were unaware of this new regulation and thought maybe there would be otherCLakers who were unaware of this new regulation also---seems like the state has found another way to make money off of the tax payers! "Just to WARN everyone....I got caught by the $10.00 tag renewal on 3 vehicles. I went into the DMV on the 14th of Oct to renew my tags. So this is a heads up.....you no longer have the "month" of your tags (registration) expiration to renew....they must be renewed on or
before the FIRST DAY of the MONTH they expire. (It's on the list below) The Clerk handed me a little Xerox slip of paper that told me since I didn't renew the tags on or before the 1st of Oct....I was being charged $10.00 per tag late fees. My comment was - this is really sneaky - The State should warn the people the first year, then apply the fine the next year. I had no knowledge of this fine, before I walked into the DMV. I had gotten a request from the State to renew my tags by mail, and there was nothing in that letter that implied there would be a fine. Didn't work, I got fined $30.00. >Link
will be paying $100 each year for two years. And, you will be paying an additional $50 per point for every point above seven. If you're stopped and you can't present proof of insurance, you must pay a $300 fine, even if you later prove you do have insurance. If you receive an Operating Under the Influence of Liquor (OUIL), not only do you have to pay your fine, a new $40 surtax, and license reinstatement fee, but you will also be getting a $1,000 bill each year for the next two years (courtesy of Governor Granholm and Senator Gilbert). This additional money will go to local governments and police, county sheriffs, the State Police, the state General Fund and local fire departments. This sets a dangerous precedent, as the agencies that issue tickets will directly profit from them. "Guaranteeing police a share of motorist fines will lead to further fine increases down the road," says Eric Skrum of the National Motorists Association. "It creates a vested interest effect: more police revenue equals more patrols, which equals more tickets, which equals more revenue. The state legislature and city governments are sure to put pressure on police agencies to issue more tickets." There will be serious unintended consequences. More tickets will make more motorists subject to the points tax. As more drivers face annual fees of several hundred dollars to keep their licenses, the poorest will respond by not paying the fees. "The legislature rammed this through without investigating the impacts," says Skrum. The points tax was borrowed from New Jersey, but NMA reports that "In New Jersey, they call this program 'Debtor's Prison.' Poor drivers try living without a license, incur an even larger surcharge when they get caught, and go so far in debt to the state they can never get a driver's
license again. This prevents them from holding a job, and effectively takes them out of the economy." An increase in unlicensed, unregistered, and uninsured drivers is the probable outcome. The state cynically estimates that only a little over half of the points taxes will ever be paid; the rest will be owed by persons unable to pay and who will never be able to renew their licenses. See below for a list of the fee increases and how much money will be extracted from motorists for state purposes. Michigan Motorist Tax, Fine, and Fee Increases, 2003 Vehicle Fee Increases - Senate Bill 554, Public Act 152 of 2003 Make trailer plates permanent at roughly the former price of 5 to 7 years' registration Increase all vehicle registrations by $3, unconstitutionally award $2.25 to State Police. Add late registration-renewal fee of $10. Raise vehicle title fees by $3. Raise auto dealer-license fees from $10 to $75. Raise used-parts dealer-license fees from $100 to $160. Raise CDL fee from $20 to $25. Raise CDL correction fee from $6 to $18. Raise original chauffeur's license from $20 to $35. Raise original driver's license from $12 to $25. Raise license renewal fee from $12 to $18. Add license-renewal late fee of $7. Raise minor's restricted license from $5 to $25. Raise fees for duplicate licenses by $6. Total revenue increase: $70.1 million/year. Dispositions: Michigan State Police $21.8 million/year Secretary of State $18 million/year Roads and transit $5.3 million/year General Fund $25 million/year After shifts of funds between the Secretary of State and the Michigan Transportation Fund under SB 539, road and transit funds are increased by approximately $24.9 million/year. One-time advance from trailer registration fees (conversion to permanent registrations). Revenue: $108 million in 2004. Disposition: Roads and transit Points Tax - Senate Bill 509, Public Act 165 of 2003 Attach tax to driver-license points, $100 for the seventh point and $50 each for additional points. Notes: points remain on license for two years. Points existing on Sept. 30, 2003 are not
taxable. Attach mandatory fines of $150 to $1,000 for certain traffic violations (not subject to points tax), payable as surtaxes on driver's-license fees in EACH of TWO years following conviction. Official revenue estimate: Approx. $65 to 75 million/year realized on billings of $124.7 million (shrinkage is due to drivers refusing to pay and continuing to drive with suspended licenses, based on rates from New Jersey). Note: House Fiscal Agency estimates and all published media reports on P.A. 165 contain the same error: the mandatory fines are described as being imposed once only, and not in each of TWO years,
so these revenue estimates are low. Disposition: First $65 million/year to the General Fund, additional amounts for local fire departments in cities having state-owned buildings. SB 436 & 439, HB 4736 P.A's. 73 & 97 of 2003 - Court-finance Package Increase conviction surtax from $25 to $40 on approximately 500,000 citations/year. Revenue increase: $7.5 million/year Disposition: Court operations. HB 4333, P.A. 34 of 2003 - Handicapped Parking Spaces Raise fine for violation of handicapped parking spaces from $50 to $150. TOTAL MOTORIST TAX INCREASE: $147.6 million/year AMOUNTS FOR ROADS AND TRANSIT: $132.9 million in Fiscal 2004 Approximately $24.9 million/year after 2004

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Glenna

11-10-2003 16:49:58




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 Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to RayP(MI), 11-07-2003 15:05:52  
What a farse!!!!! !!! I needed to get two (2) tags by the 18th oof this month (Nov) I went to the Secretary of state and paid the fee that was on my registrations. Nothing more! Who ever is spreading this line of crap needs to stop.



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RayP(MI)

11-10-2003 19:04:16




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 Re: Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to Glenna, 11-10-2003 16:49:58  
I have contacted the Secy. of State by email, and am awaiting clarification on this issue. All I can figure is some clerk got over agressive. Sorry If I offended you.



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Upset Mother

11-09-2003 17:18:01




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 Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to RayP(MI), 11-07-2003 15:05:52  
I can't believe how hard they are making it on us. Everything is getting so expensive, and with no jobs to be had that make any kind of decent money, they want to tax us more and keep raising prices of everything, i.e. gas, insurance, food. Come on it's got to give somehwere. I was without a job for a year and when i did get another it is only 15 hours a week, I have 2 kids to support, and its hard to pay day care and gas in my car to get to work to make the money needed to pay the child care and gas cost.

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One Thumb

11-08-2003 06:10:54




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 Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to RayP(MI), 11-07-2003 15:05:52  
I was considering visiting Michigan next summer for a week or two to see some old friends.
Guess I'll bypass this state and avoid any risk.



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oleblu

11-08-2003 04:58:44




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 Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to RayP(MI), 11-07-2003 15:05:52  
Don't feel too bad. Here in IL the same thing happened with liscense plates for comm. vehicles (ovr 10,000#). Anyone who renewed before July 1 and thought they were OK got another bill for another 36%. Some trucking companies are making noise about moving main office and headquarters out of state. If they do, the state looses it all. I understand all the states across the country being financally strapped, but they forget that everyone on down the ladder is in the same boat. I guess there is no easy answer, but it seems they target the little guy to carry the load. RANT OVER oleblu

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4020dt

11-08-2003 06:52:46




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 Re: Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to oleblu, 11-08-2003 04:58:44  
I was waiting for some one from this wonderful state of Illinois to bring this up . I got the $1005 notice too , on top of the $2900 something I already paid on 7/1 . I think this state is way over priced on truck fees . They don't dare raise prices on those hi$$$$ SUV'S , motorhomes , fancy pickups or other toys though that would be political suicide . Also in this state they are more worried about wearing a seatbelt than the drunk drivers , uninsured motorists and a lot of more dangerous things .

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Fred OH

11-08-2003 04:32:25




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 Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to RayP(MI), 11-07-2003 15:05:52  
These kind of laws wouldn't be so bad if they were...if you are caught with drugs...we take your car and sell it...or if you are caught twice for driving while intoxicated...we take it too. Seems as though the way they have it now they are targeting the non-crook common everyday person. Fred OH



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John S-B

11-07-2003 20:49:34




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 Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to RayP(MI), 11-07-2003 15:05:52  
We don't give a D@mn 'bout the whole state of Michigan... We're from OHIO! GO BUCKS!!



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jake

11-07-2003 20:48:10




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 Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to RayP(MI), 11-07-2003 15:05:52  
All this crap was passed under Jenny Grandhom who was going to give every 6th grader in Detroit a free laptop computer. If that happens I'll go down and buy 50 for 200 bucks. Michigan has idiot lawmakers and judges here are lawyers who either unable to make a living or drunks. A local judge has had 3 DUI's and no drivers licence and he is passing rulings on others charged with the same stuff he got away with. [Gladwin resident]

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Ol Chief

11-07-2003 19:07:05




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 Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to RayP(MI), 11-07-2003 15:05:52  
Having read this message, probably every citizen of every state should expect their legislature to follow suit at least to some extent.Our Texas bunch are scrapeing around for new sources of tax revenues because our citizens are now raising he-- over exorbetent real estate property tax.This Michigan thing can spread like the flu.Just another tax and spend.In this state the police cars already have so much electronic gear it's hard to find space to operate the vehicle.Every new device produced (Bell or whistle )is immediately purchased and added state and county wide to police cruisers.Take note of how many flashihg lites and speaker systems change in two years time. No wonder they need more money.

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uglyoldfatman

11-09-2003 15:19:14




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 Re: Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to Ol Chief , 11-07-2003 19:07:05  
You are too late Ol Chief.

As of Sept. 1, we have it in Texas !!!

moving violation 2 "" "" w/accident 3
6 points in 36 mo. you get a $100. surcharge for the first 6, and $25 for ea. add. point.
DWI $1000 for first time, $1500 for second in 36 mo.
invalid lic./no insurance $250.
driving w/o lic. $100 yr.

if "any" part of the lic. plate is covered and can not be read---$250. Even the word "TEXAS".

no matter what you are driving, if you get a ticket, and you have a CDL, you can not get "deferred adjudication" OR "defensive driving".

And a whole bunch of others.

Watch out !!!!! !! Here they come after more!!!!

But, this happens because we let it happen.

Have any of you noticed how quick they got off their a##es, and did something about the "NO CALL LIST" for tell-mkts. ????? ??

If WE cared, we could get them to jump that way all the time.

UG!

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Throw the bums out of off

11-07-2003 16:52:12




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 Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to RayP(MI), 11-07-2003 15:05:52  
And the dumbasses in the government cant understand why jobs continue to be lost in Michigan. The government is run by idiots in the state of Michigan. Sickening isnt it.



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Greasy John

11-09-2003 09:03:35




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 Re: Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to Throw the bums out of off, 11-07-2003 16:52:12  
Yes its sickening ---but it isn't only dumbass's in Mi. It's all over.



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Dick

11-07-2003 17:30:33




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 Re: Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to Throw the bums out of off, 11-07-2003 16:52:12  
And you watch,,,, the dumbasses will vote those same dumbasses back into office at election time..

It's about time voters wake up and throw those reps. out of office..

Dick



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Wayne

11-07-2003 15:43:02




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 Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to RayP(MI), 11-07-2003 15:05:52  
Want to avoid fines, just move, become a Mexican citizen, change your name, and move back to NC. A friend told us that he had done some checking with DMV about licenses and fines. He found that if you never had a license in your name, anywhere, even if you got stopped in a 90,000lb semi, with no brakes, hauling muratic acid down a 10,000lb limit road....you get the idea.... all they could actually do was give you a fine for $250. This is a per infraction fine, and not something cumulative, so if you get stopped 1 time or 100, each time it's only a $250 fine. That's how so many foreigners get away with driving like they do, because they have never had a license issued in the US, and as long as they don't their just gonna keep on driving with the slim chance of getting stopped and fined. I don't know if it's true, but from what I see and hear I wouldn't doubt it. Like you said, no matter what state you live in the government is doing their best to make driving something only the rich can afford.

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wdTom

11-07-2003 16:58:12




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 Re: Re: OT - Attention Michigan drivers - WARNING in reply to Wayne, 11-07-2003 15:43:02  
Sounds like the people need to bring back tar and feathering--- of state "law makers" in this case.



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