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GlenninPa

07-10-2003 06:33:48




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I need some ideas on how to remove 20+year hay
from 2 of my barns. The hay fibers have intertwined over the years and the removal task
is like pulling hair. I thought about running
an electric chain saw through the mess.




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Thanx to all

07-10-2003 20:23:09




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 Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to GlenninPa, 07-10-2003 06:33:48  
Thanx to all of you for the suggestions.



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Billy Goat

07-11-2003 21:32:16




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 Re: Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to Thanx to all, 07-10-2003 20:23:09  
Get a bunch of goats and put them in the loft. Let them eat the stuff. Sell the goats and enjoy the profits....or roast them



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JD-Tractor in NY

07-10-2003 19:16:02




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 Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to GlenninPa, 07-10-2003 06:33:48  
Find a Electric hay saw for slicing big round bales.You can also use a elec. carcass splitter that the butchers use to split livestock they are the same thing !!



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paul

07-10-2003 11:52:29




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 Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to GlenninPa, 07-10-2003 06:33:48  
I'd be _real_ nervious about the saw throwing a spark & burning the barn down.

In the late '70s I fed out loose hay that was 5' deep & covered 1/3 of the hay mow - about 40x30'. Found a newspaper in it that said 1953. We had packed straw bales on top of it for 2 decades, so it should have been packed. Worked fine getting it out with a pitchfork, stab into the top, & get a bunch out.

So, how/why is your stuff intertwined? Was it loose hay or baled & the twine is rotted off? Long stems or short? Did it get wet - THAT could be a problem? Is it deep? Is just the top couple inches packed down from age, below it should be good yet if it stayed dry?

I'm just trying to understand the problem, as I've never seen a problem with hay intertwining while stacked, or a pile of hay that a pitchfork couldn't solve.....

--->Paul

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Jack

07-10-2003 18:52:15




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 Re: Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to paul, 07-10-2003 11:52:29  
Have you thought about fabricating some kind of bent 4-6 tine hay fork you could hook up with a chain or rope to a car or tractor and drag the stuff out? Might minimize some real hard work if you could somehow get that to work for you.

I'd rather spend a few days figuring something out rather than man a pitchfork for any length of time. Life's too short anymore for that kind of manual labor. Unless you have your kids do it, that is.... But then better not let 'em see this post! ;>)

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GlenninPa

07-10-2003 12:10:16




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 Re: Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to paul, 07-10-2003 11:52:29  
It was originaly put up in bales (string present),but looks like it was put up loose.
Pitch fork does not budge. Im planning electric
chain saw instead of gas to prevent fire.



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rayinny

07-10-2003 13:36:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to GlenninPa, 07-10-2003 12:10:16  
There was a tool made called a hay saw which people used to cut out sections when removing loose hay from a hay mow. They worked well.



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paul

07-10-2003 12:27:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to GlenninPa, 07-10-2003 12:10:16  
Ok, I understand.

If you can get a layer (front face) of bales peeled off, after that a fork should work. You stick the fork into the side of about 1/3 of a bale, and it should lift out. The very top & very outside is difficult, the inside becomes easier. Also the twine becomes a hinderence, you wish none of it was left! :) Loose hay you would stab down from the top, but baled stuff with the twine rotted off you want to stab from the side.

It is slow, dirty, hard work. And maybe the problem is different than I imagine, but really the hay should be in 14x18" cuts already. If you've never worked with hay & a pitch fork, might want to set aside a few hours & practice with it, difficult to explain it, but a pitch fork can require some skills & technique to make it work right. You'll hit upon it if you keep trying.

If you are more experienced at this than I'm giving you credit, no insult meant. Just trying to cover the simple bases & help out if I can.

(I've watched my wife work with a pitch fork - she comes from small-town, & I never realized a fork was so difficult to learn how to use & apply properly! No insult to my wife, either, she's a smart cookie & I thank her every day for being willing to learn & work at it.... I grew up on a farm, & have never realized the tools I use every day I learned to use when I was 6, and it's not easy to just pick them up & go - needs time to figure out. She's teaching me a lot too.)

--->Paul

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markct

07-10-2003 11:43:28




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 Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to GlenninPa, 07-10-2003 06:33:48  
just outa curiosity, do ya mean this was hay that is/was in bales, or it was put up loose in the first place?



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GlenninPa

07-10-2003 12:06:30




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 Re: Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to markct, 07-10-2003 11:43:28  
It was originaly put up in bales (string present),but looks like it was put up loose



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RAR/IA

07-10-2003 09:34:12




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 Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to GlenninPa, 07-10-2003 06:33:48  
Use a hay knife. It is a two handled device that can cut hay without the hazard of fire or electrical requirements. You can cut the hay into blocks or other desired sizes to handle with a pitch fork.

For what it is worth.

Roger



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TimV

07-10-2003 07:53:46




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 Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to GlenninPa, 07-10-2003 06:33:48  
GlenninPA: There are chains available that are made specifically for cutting hay--typically round bales, but I'm sure they'd work for your application as well. I saw them offered online somewhere, but don't have the address handy. Do a Google search and I'm sure something will pop up.



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TimV

07-10-2003 08:03:22




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 Re: Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to TimV, 07-10-2003 07:53:46  
I found the link (or at least A link) to the bale cutting chain. Kinda spendy at $95 but would probably work--I've never seen one in action.



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Don LC

07-10-2003 06:59:36




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 Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to GlenninPa, 07-10-2003 06:33:48  
Sounds like a good idea to me..... .try it any way..... .good luck....



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Grant

07-10-2003 07:27:18




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 Re: Re: Hay removal dilemma in reply to Don LC, 07-10-2003 06:59:36  
I've never cut hay with a chain saw, but I've cut lots of bales of cranberry vine (same idea, just a bit coarser and woodier).

I've found its best if you cut with the top of the chain bar, not the bottom. The saw will have less chance to plug up. Get the chain moving to speed before you put it in the bales and watch out for the baling twine.

Good Luck and be careful, Grant



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