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Anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand

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markct

07-02-2003 04:53:56




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i need to find out the aprox weight per yard of dead sand, i believe regular mason sand is roughly 2500 a yard, but i didnt know if dead sand is about the same or not. reason i ask is that i am helping a friend put up a pool and we figured we needed about 5 yards of sand, well the gravel yard i usualy go to doesnt carry dead sand so i called a different one, and they measure it by the ton instead of by the yard, so i need to figure roughly the tonnage that would be 5 yards, thanks guys, i drove the dumptruck to work this mornin so i gota find out before this afternoon when i pick it up.

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markct

07-02-2003 18:53:31




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 Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand in reply to markct, 07-02-2003 04:53:56  
well i found out what dead sand actualy is, its basicly silt, it is the stuff that they wash out of the normal sand, its supposed to pack together real well for the bottom of the pool. i got 7 tons, was a good sized pile, filled up my 12 ft flatbed, with 18 inch sides, made a nice rounded pile, so there quiet a bit there.



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rhudson

07-02-2003 12:12:48




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 Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand in reply to markct, 07-02-2003 04:53:56  
can i jump in? wet sand weighs more. the water is not displacing the sand, its filling up the air space between the sand. water will weigh more than air. the only way water will displace sand is with flowing water, which moves the sand forming what engineers (not TV shows) call a quick condition. up to the quick condition, water makes the grains of sand adhear to each other. you can drive on wet sand, you sink in dry sand. dead sand? never heard of that term.

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AZ Jack

07-02-2003 11:53:01




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 Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand in reply to markct, 07-02-2003 04:53:56  
Wet sand is about 15% water by wt. I believe sand is more dense than water and since the water is displacing sand you will actually wind up with wet sand weighing less than dry per given volume, such as a cubic yard.



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DAVE M

07-02-2003 11:31:28




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 Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand in reply to markct, 07-02-2003 04:53:56  
My handbook say's 3240 LBS per cubic yard for
wet sand.



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Garry

07-02-2003 10:24:10




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 Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand in reply to markct, 07-02-2003 04:53:56  
thats kinda like when I go to a parts house. they tell me I need to bring in the old part. Next time they tell me they need the part number. Next time they need seriel number. Then next time they tell me they don't carry any such parts. I'm surprised they don't ask me what color it is.



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John Nelson

07-02-2003 18:58:45




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 Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand in reply to Garry, 07-02-2003 10:24:10  
Hi, i'm not certain but i think dry, course sand without any fine is 180 lb per cu ft. I know i have the chart here, if i find it i'll post it.
John



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sting

07-02-2003 10:40:47




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 Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand in reply to Garry, 07-02-2003 10:24:10  
So Gary - Do you want to go home with the correct part to repair your project - or would you rather make several trips because your stupid!



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Alberta Mike

07-02-2003 16:10:50




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 Re: Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead s in reply to sting, 07-02-2003 10:40:47  
Just what Gary needs is someone telling him he's stupid. These kinds of comments certainly aren't welcome on the forum here, at least I don't think they are. I'd say an apology is in order but maybe post your real name this time.



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Garry

07-03-2003 04:51:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weight of de in reply to Alberta Mike, 07-02-2003 16:10:50  
thanks Mike, what I was saying in my earlier comment was that no matter what information (make, model, and even old part)I would take to some parts house they would want something different. I was not implying all parts suppliers are like that just some of them. I was simply giving a little hummor, but there are those that get offended I guess. Matter of fact, I have one supplier that is very helpful, but I have to go a distance out of my way to get there, but there are others in my area that don't want to go to any effort to find a part for an old tractor. I don't get offended too easily though. BTW thanks for the info you sent me. The old Massey I got was in good condition except the engine is really stuck.

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Garry

07-02-2003 10:43:24




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 Re: Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead s in reply to sting, 07-02-2003 10:40:47  
Duh..... ..... ....



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Fuzz

07-02-2003 07:55:08




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 Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand in reply to markct, 07-02-2003 04:53:56  
Sand dry per cu/ft = 100 lbs.
Sand wet per cu/ft = 120 lbs.
Ref. Machinery's Hand Book
Hope I didn't start something.



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Waltert Mo

07-02-2003 09:21:48




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 Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand in reply to Fuzz, 07-02-2003 07:55:08  
No! you put an end to it. You are right on.
Having worked with foundry sands for 30yrs your
information is right on.



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markct

07-02-2003 09:28:16




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 Re: Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead s in reply to Waltert Mo, 07-02-2003 09:21:48  
but is dead sand the same weight as regular sand is what i am asking, i too looked up sand in the machinery handbook but didnt know if that was corse sand or what



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Ben in KY

07-02-2003 12:54:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weight of de in reply to markct, 07-02-2003 09:28:16  
Yeah,
Sand seems to be a generic term for ground up hard substance that does not easially dissolve. The different types of contents cannot weigh the same also the texture or size of the grains would have to effect the weight per volume. I am a bit confused.



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Ben in KY

07-02-2003 07:02:03




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 Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand in reply to markct, 07-02-2003 04:53:56  
Please excuse the dumb question, but what is "dead" sand ?



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markct

07-02-2003 08:47:20




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 Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand in reply to Ben in KY, 07-02-2003 07:02:03  
well to tell ya the truth im not sure, its a type of sand that ya put under swimming pools, its supposed to not creep, and it packs together real tight, i believe it is just finer than ordinary sand but im not sure realy



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Philip

07-02-2003 06:49:59




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 Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand in reply to markct, 07-02-2003 04:53:56  
My reference book lists dry sand at 100# cubic foot, or 2700# cubic yard. Philip.



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Bus Driver

07-02-2003 05:30:23




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 Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand in reply to markct, 07-02-2003 04:53:56  
My guess would be about 125# per cubic foot. Solid rock is about 145#. A cubic yard is 27 cubic feet, so the other estimate you have of 2500# indicates less than 100# per cubic foot.



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markct

07-02-2003 05:43:49




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 Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead sand in reply to Bus Driver, 07-02-2003 05:30:23  
hmm, not good,thats about 16,875lbs for 5 yards then, a bit much for my 24,000 gvw dumptruck, which weighs 10,000 empty. looks like i wont be getting 5 yards then, thanks



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T_Bone

07-02-2003 06:16:42




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 Re: Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weight of dead s in reply to markct, 07-02-2003 05:43:49  
Hi Market,

Not a good day for numbers for me, but if I remember correct, dry sand weighs more than wet sand because dry sand has more bulk by 30% of volume. Water weighs 1/2 of what sand does but takes up 1.3 times the space.

So if you buy wet sand your getting the shaft.

T_Bone



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markct

07-02-2003 06:45:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weight of de in reply to T_Bone, 07-02-2003 06:16:42  
are ya sure dry weighs more than wet? i always figured the other way, and since they sell it by the weight not the yard it sorta screws things up too when wet



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KX

07-02-2003 08:17:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weight o in reply to markct, 07-02-2003 06:45:45  
dry sand weighs more than wet sand.



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Steve

07-02-2003 08:50:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weig in reply to KX, 07-02-2003 08:17:00  
Compacted dry sand may weigh more than wet sand,but in a stockpile condition the wet sand WILL weigh more.



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JMS/MN

07-02-2003 23:46:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: anyone know the aprox in reply to Steve, 07-02-2003 08:50:46  
Been working in a contractor's pit for just over a year now, and all product is figured at 2800 lbs per cubic yard. And when it rains, and the sand is wet, the scale for the Cat loader bucket weighs more.



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david

07-02-2003 07:29:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: anyone know the aprox weight o in reply to markct, 07-02-2003 06:45:45  
All the more reason to sell by weight, water is free so they get to sell it to you too. Lime is the same way. Full load of wet lime for me (as far as what will fit in the truck) is 11-12 tons. Full load of dry lime is 15 tons and I still have room on the truck, just not enough truck license.



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