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CAR ENGINE IN TRACTOR ??

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geln

01-30-1999 09:37:05




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i got to think about putting a car motor in a tractor i have a lot of old engines laying around and i can buy a oliver 77 with no motor if i want do yoy think i could put a car motor in the 77 i was think of putting a big block 413 chrysler in it but i could go with a small block what would i have to do with it and what would i need to look out for when doing it any help would be great




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BC

02-06-1999 20:03:30




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 Re: CAR ENGINE IN TRACTOR ?? in reply to geln , 01-30-1999 09:37:05  
The idea has been around for a while. There used to be a company that made adaptors to put Ford flathead V-8's in Ford 9N's and so on.

If you just want to use the 413, it could probably be done. You will likely wind up with about 2 or 3 times the torque that 77 was ever meant to take in its driveline but it may take it, at least for a while. Also, even stock that 413 will wind up to three times what that Oliver was geared for unless you get a governor on it. Should really make short work of cultivating the old corn field.

An in-line 6 of some sort (like a Chev 292 or Ford 300) would probably be more appropriate.

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David Dennis

12-25-2003 20:21:37
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 Re: Re: CAR ENGINE IN TRACTOR ?? in reply to BC, 02-06-1999 20:03:30  
I was wondering how hard would it be to put a chevy small block into a WD allis chalmer tractor. Does anyone make an adaptor kit for this application? Please e-mail back.

Thanks Dave



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David Dennis

12-26-2003 17:09:47
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 Re: Re: Re: CAR ENGINE IN TRACTOR ?? in reply to David Dennis, 12-25-2003 20:21:37  



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Ed

02-02-1999 15:11:24




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 Re: CAR ENGINE IN TRACTOR ?? in reply to geln , 01-30-1999 09:37:05  
I think the Oliver 77 might just have come with one of the 6cyl GM engines talked about.

If true you may wnat to change the camshaft, manifold and carb with one that came off this tractor. it might help with the low RPM HP.



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Gerald

02-02-1999 15:23:39




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 Re: Re: CAR ENGINE IN TRACTOR ?? in reply to Ed, 02-02-1999 15:11:24  
The 6 cylinder 290 and 300 ford pickup engines have a very low speed torque peak, something like 1500 rpm. Ford made use of that to get long range mileage with tall gearing and overdrive. I test drove one that at 60 I could still feel each cylinder firing. 2.7 rear axle and overdrive.

Gerald



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BILL

01-31-1999 14:49:08




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 Re: CAR ENGINE IN TRACTOR ?? in reply to geln , 01-30-1999 09:37:05  
A 230,250 OR 292 IS PERFECT,I KNOW,TORQUE CURVE
IS CLOSE.COOLING IS NOT A PROBLEM EITHER. NEED HELP E-MAIL ME. IT ALL MOST LOOK'S ORIGINAL TO.



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john d.

01-31-1999 12:44:44




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 Re: CAR ENGINE IN TRACTOR ?? in reply to geln , 01-30-1999 09:37:05  
Saw an ad once that said something like "For Sale: F-20 with a V8 Plymouth engine. Too fast to plant corn!"

You can put almost anything in it if you have enough time, patience, engineering skill, and money. I've seen old flathead Ford V8 engines in old Ford tractors, Chrysler Hemi engines in Farmalls, and Chevy 454-inchers in Masseys. I went to college in the early '60s with a guy who made a few bucks in the summers putting Ford 390 and 406 V8s in Farmall M tractors. Seemed to be a pretty good swap.

Cooling can be a problem if the radiator isn't in really good shape, and (as noted in another post) you may need to speed up the water pump if possible. Tractor engines generate maximum torque at lower rpm limits than most car engines, so you'll need lots of cubic inches to offset this problem. One souce of governors for this would be gas combine engines, as some of the older ones WERE car engines! Be advised that you can easily put together something that will run faster than your brakes can handle!

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B.dailey

02-02-1999 15:49:42




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 Re: Re: CAR ENGINE IN TRACTOR ?? in reply to john d., 01-31-1999 12:44:44  
Ever heard of a Volts Wagon motor in a tractor?



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ronm

01-31-1999 05:25:17




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 Re: CAR ENGINE IN TRACTOR ?? in reply to geln , 01-30-1999 09:37:05  
I saw a Fordson Major with a 390 once. Don't know how practical it was, but it sure made my head turn when I drove by and heard it.



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Gerald

01-31-1999 00:54:15




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 Re: CAR ENGINE IN TRACTOR ?? in reply to geln , 01-30-1999 09:37:05  
My uncle Carl tried that about 40 years ago. Power wasn't the problem, engine cooling was. At the low speeds of the tractor engine speeds the car water pump doesn't seem to move enough water. He felt that the car moving through the air added significant air cooling to the block also. Probably any car or truck engine put in a tractor should be used with a larger crankshaft pully and smaller water pump pulley to make the water pump move more water. Wouldn't hurt to make sure the hoses were as large, short and straight as possible.

Gerald

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Paul Fox

01-30-1999 13:46:57




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 Re: CAR ENGINE IN TRACTOR ?? in reply to geln , 01-30-1999 09:37:05  
That's been done quite a bit, according to my information. The two big things to consider are RPM's and how to govern it.

Most older tractors are designed to provide rated PTO speed (540 RPM) somewhere in the 1500-2000 RPM range, give or take a bit. You need to match this with whatever engine you put in.

The new engine must be governed in some way so the RPM stays relatively constant under changing load conditions. There are after-market belt-driven governors available that should work.

Also, be aware that the HP rating of a car engine is usually at a much higher RPM than you would normally use in a tractor. Also, a car engine very likely won't make as much torque at lower RPM (that 1500-2000 I mentioned) as a tractor engine.

Finally, be aware that the higher RPM and greater horsepower of that big ol' honkin' 413 may raise all sorts of problems with the transmission/bull gears/rear end of a tractor. Don't know about the Oliver 77, but it may well be rugged enough to handle it. Just something to consider.

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Nels

01-30-1999 16:19:07




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 Re: Re: CAR ENGINE IN TRACTOR ?? in reply to Paul Fox, 01-30-1999 13:46:57  
For a tractor that has everyday use a 6 cyl 292 gm or a Ford 300 might be a better choice



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farmall boy

02-02-1999 20:52:46




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 Re: Re: Re: CAR ENGINE IN TRACTOR ?? in reply to Nels, 01-30-1999 16:19:07  
when i was a teenager in the 70s i saw a farmall h with a chevy 283 ci at the new york state fair i have a chevy 230 ci and a dodge 225 slant 6 how easy would it be to put a slant 6 in an h and would this unit be any good?



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