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What About This Angle

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BJ

09-26-2007 18:30:28




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All this talk about DOT numbers makes me want to open this can of worms I have seen cases at shows where people have taken semi tractors/trailer combinations and licensed them as R/V's to get around the DOT/CDL regulations just how legal can this type of action be?




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john in la

09-26-2007 19:57:34




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 Re: What About This Angle in reply to BJ, 09-26-2007 18:30:28  
RV's are exempt from all DOT rules. The people that build and sell RV's have a VERY strong voice where it counts.
Can you imagine what would happen to RV sales if they had to follow CDL rules. Most of these people can not drive a car never alone a big RV.

Now lets take it one step further. People that drive under the RV umbrella have a exemption from getting DOT #'s and CDL's. But should they be exempt from safety and size rules???

Example.....
While there are states out west; and some toll roads that allow bigger trailer combinations; Every state east of the Mississippi lives by the rule that trailers must be 28 ft or less when 2 trailers are pulled. (Doubles; Pups)
BUT..... I can take a 1 ton or a 2 1/2 ton truck; hook a 30 to 35 ft 5th wheel trailer on the back; and then a 16 ft bass boat behind that and not 1 DOT officer would ever say anything to me.
Go figure that one out.

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davediehl@hotmail.com

09-26-2007 19:34:09




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 Re: What About This Angle in reply to BJ, 09-26-2007 18:30:28  
You will see national enforcement of the federal regs on DOT violations. This all became law in 2006. Not many states have taken enforcement action. These are clear violations. Tractor pulling has nothing to do with the delivery of crops to market. You are not hauling live horses. Long and short, it is a violation.



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ScottyHOMEy

09-26-2007 19:39:43




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 Re: What About This Angle in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 09-26-2007 19:34:09  
How is any more a commercial enterprise than hauling ATVs? Not pushing really (Well, yes but then again, no), but I'm having a real hard time grasping how a tractor pull, for example, qualifies as commerce.



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ScottyHOMEy

09-26-2007 19:40:57




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 Re: What About This Angle in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 09-26-2007 19:39:43  
And I don't think the question had to do with hauling with farm plates.



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ScottyHOMEy

09-26-2007 19:30:52




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 Re: What About This Angle in reply to BJ, 09-26-2007 18:30:28  
Waitin' fer the authorities to check in, but I've seen that, too, and wondered how they got away with it. And wondered how the RVs (a bane of our existence here in Maine) with the half-deaf, half-blind folks operating RV/towed-vehicle combos pushing 65' in length and well over 26k.

All this stuff about hauling to contests where there might be some token prize money. How about (for a real scenario) I haul a buddy's mud truck up to a mud run for him because his hauler is broke down. I go for the fun of it and to see just what this mud truck thing is all about. I ask for no compensation and refuse it when it is offered, since it was doing a friend a favor and I was curious and I had a good time. But there was prize money involved for somebody.

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davediehl@hotmail.com

09-27-2007 04:00:50




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 Re: What About This Angle in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 09-26-2007 19:30:52  
ask for no compensation and refuse it when it is offered, since it was doing a friend a favor

We used the "just for a friend" scenerio in class. You would be in violation. Though not for cash, doing a favor makes you the responsible carrier of someone else's items.



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Welding Man

09-26-2007 19:41:21




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 Re: What About This Angle in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 09-26-2007 19:30:52  
Our antique tractor club gives 5 trophies per class. It costs $60.00 to sponser a class.I always sponsor at least 1 class. We charge a $5.00 hook fee. If I should happen to win a trophy in the class that I sponsored, that means I've got $65.00 in the trophy, does that mean the DOT is going to say I am doing this for profit?



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davediehl@hotmail.com

09-27-2007 04:08:34




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 Re: What About This Angle in reply to Welding Man, 09-26-2007 19:41:21  
Our antique tractor club gives 5 trophies per class. It costs $60.00 to sponser a class.I always sponsor at least 1 class. We charge a $5.00 hook fee.

There are only a few exemptions to the DOT numbering system. One is for the sale of grain, one is for the transport of live horses. Pulling equipment to and from pulling sites is not one of them. If your combined GVWR is over 10,000 expect to get in compliance. I'm not sure how much more simple I can make it. The only scenerios that are going to help you on the side of the road is IF you are hauling live animals to or from your farm in your vehicles or you are taking crops to market. I'll try to scan a few more items in the next few days with those 2 exemptions.

I hope you don't mind the extra bit in the post with the quote in the top. I'm trying to hit each one of these individually.

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ScottyHOMEy

09-26-2007 19:45:27




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 Re: What About This Angle in reply to Welding Man, 09-26-2007 19:41:21  
Not sure. Profit no. Compensatoin, mebaybe

Maybe Dave can enlighten you as to his department's position.



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old

09-26-2007 19:17:57




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 Re: What About This Angle in reply to BJ, 09-26-2007 18:30:28  
A lot depends on the state. In Missouri if its for farm use you don't need a CDL or DOT numbers on any truck but it has to be for the farm not play and you have to stay in this state also unless you get a waver/permits



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