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Miller 6 pin TIG output remotes

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'52 Farmall H

02-14-2007 18:22:44




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Here is a goofy question, does anyone out there have access to a Miller 6 pin TIG output remote? These remotes are used with the smaller Miller Maxstar inverter welders and have a special 6 pin plug instead of the more common 5 and 14 pin remotes. The foot pedal model number is RFCS-6M and the torch mounted version is RCCS-6M. What I"m trying to find is the range of resistance between pins 3 and 4 of the plug. These remotes are basically variable resistors, call me crazy, but I don"t want to pay at least $150 so I can plug a variable resistor into my welder. I figure I can get a resistor and hook it up myself, all I need to know is the resistance range.

Thanks for your time, "52 Farmall H.



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Crem

02-14-2007 21:43:16




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 Re: Miller 6 pin TIG output remotes in reply to '52 Farmall H, 02-14-2007 18:22:44  
I used to repair a lot of those foot pedals before I retired. I believe that the total resistance is 1000 ohms but can't remember for sure. Are you using the pedal for tig welding? We also used hand controls for that. They are just a box with a slide switch to turn on the contactor and a potentiometer to control the amperage. Be sure to get it wired up right so that you don't burn out a board.
I just found a discussion on the resistance values.

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'52 Farmall H

02-15-2007 19:01:04




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 Re: Miller 6 pin TIG output remotes in reply to Crem, 02-14-2007 21:43:16  
Thanks for the web link, it looks good. I will be using my welder for TIG as soon as I decide what torch to buy. I am planning on using a hand remote since I have this theory I can effectively use it in more situations then a pedal. I can't always be sitting at a table.
I am concerned about wiring the remote the right way, since my Maxstar inverter is solid state.

Thanks.

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Crem

02-15-2007 19:37:00




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 Re: Miller 6 pin TIG output remotes in reply to '52 Farmall H, 02-15-2007 19:01:04  
If you could pick up a potentiometer and a slide switch, you could build your own hand control fairly easily if you have the time. I think that you would be a lot happier with a foot pedal though. You can start and stop the arc much easier and can vary the current as needed as you weld. I would look for a used one on eBay or maybe a welding shop. The old ESAB and P&H welders used a similar pedal and you could adapt them by changing the plugs. They use two plugs, one for the contactor and one for the heat control but you could combine them and get the same result. A lot of those welders are or have been junked out. A welding shop might have some of those around. email me if you need more information.

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Ryan - WI

02-14-2007 18:44:17




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 Re: Miller 6 pin TIG output remotes in reply to '52 Farmall H, 02-14-2007 18:22:44  
I have a new Synchrowave 180 at school that has a foot pedal. I should be able to get the measurement for you tommorrow if I remember. You want it when the pedal is open and then all the way closed right?



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'52 Farmall H

02-14-2007 19:25:38




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 Re: Miller 6 pin TIG output remotes in reply to Ryan - WI, 02-14-2007 18:44:17  
Ryan, That would be fine, and yes, I am looking for the minimum and maximum values. The Syncrowave 180 has the 14 pin plug but according to my info it uses the same 10 volt DC reference signal as my Maxstar 150 so we should be fine. As you can see in the attached drawing, you will need to measure pins "C" and "E" instead of 3 and 4. Just for kicks, if you remember, see if the pedal is a Miller. It should be a model RFCS-14.

Thanks, '52 Farmall H.


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135 Fan

02-15-2007 16:18:35




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 Re: Miller 6 pin TIG output remotes in reply to '52 Farmall H, 02-14-2007 19:25:38  
Being that it's an inverter might be why it uses a different plug. Different type of power going through it? Maybe foot pedals are the same? Maybe not? It is highly possible that Miller did it on purpose so you had to buy a foot pedal for your new machine instead of taking the pedal off your old machine. Miller has a bunch of different remote controls for different machines. I had a 400 amp trailblazer that needed a special remote control for amps or volts. Lots of used standard remotes around but not what I wanted. A new one was too pricey for me. On TIG you don't always need a foot control but wouldn't want to be without one. Especially on thin material and stuff like Aluminum. I feel your dilema. Dave

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'52 Farmall H

02-15-2007 19:45:19




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 Re: Miller 6 pin TIG output remotes in reply to 135 Fan, 02-15-2007 16:18:35  
I think the main reason the plug is different is size limitations. The Maxstar 150 is a very small welder: 9" H x 5.5" W x 13.25" L and 13.7 lbs. A 14 pin plug and even a 5 pin would be too big.
You may be right about the signal power being different. In fact, I have looked at several different welder manuals and have seen all sorts of voltages and even polarity listed. I don't know much about electronics, but I have a theory that to a certain extent, the remotes can be used with different powers.

Thanks.

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Ryan - WI

02-14-2007 20:14:19




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 Re: Miller 6 pin TIG output remotes in reply to '52 Farmall H, 02-14-2007 19:25:38  
The pedal is a Miller. Bought it with the welder.



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