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O.T.----Building a Platform

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1945 A

09-22-2006 06:15:14




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I recently had a well drilled on my place, and am having a windmill put up for pumping purposes.
My wife really wants to set the storage tank on a wooden platform.
Has anyone done this, or know of where I might get plans for this type construction?
The tank will hold about 800 gallons of water---rough math tells me weight involved will be around 5,000#, so I know it will have to be built right.
Thanks!

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skip

09-22-2006 14:01:25




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 Re: O.T.----Building a Platform in reply to 1945 A, 09-22-2006 06:15:14  
our system I built a platform out of 2x6 for braces and 1x6 for the deck on top of pole barn telephpne type pole from the farm supply and put my 1600 gallion tank ( about five days without wind) on top. we were the only ones with water after the hurricanes here in fla, when power was out for a week.Our tower is 12' high with tank on top, It is our only water supply for our house and homestead with water. we use drip in the garden and water livestock.We have a 1923 8'aeromoter windmill good luck, check Vintage windmill web site. good site got a lot of good info from there. lot of work to live a simple life but worth it for us.

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1945 A

09-22-2006 14:15:51




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 Re: O.T.----Building a Platform in reply to skip, 09-22-2006 14:01:25  
Reading through the responses (and I do appreciate the responses!), I see a forgot a couple of details (nothing new for me, either, LOL).
Anyway, I'm in Central Texas, seldom see snow, and, lots of days, wish there was a breeze, especially in the summer when it's a 100 or better outside. The platform isn't going to be much over 10-12' high, and I'd like a small observation deck---the tank I've located is 6' diameter, can't remember height right now--maybe 6'? I'm thinking open frame to lessen wind resistance.

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skip

09-22-2006 14:52:29




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 Re: O.T.----Building a Platform in reply to 1945 A, 09-22-2006 14:15:51  
Here in fla , after building my tower I found a galvanized steel water tank tower next to a windmill on a farm just down the road from me with out a tank on. Maybe in texas you can find one, lots of windmills out there.only took me a weekend to build mine. the hardest part was making a gin pole and getting the help to pull the 1600 gallion tank up there. Lot of luck.



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xcoloken

09-22-2006 08:45:10




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 Re: O.T.----Building a Platform in reply to 1945 A, 09-22-2006 06:15:14  
I had a 600 gal wooden one once. Used 4 railroad ties for posts and good solid cross pieces. About 6 foot high, gave enough to run water to things like stock tanks. Boxed in underneith with a wooden tank gave a nice cool place for storage. Depends on what kind of pressure you want and how high.



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Stan in Oly, WA

09-22-2006 13:31:25




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 Re: O.T.----Building a Platform in reply to xcoloken, 09-22-2006 08:45:10  
Hi Kenny,

Why are you xcoloken now?

Stan



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Coloken

09-23-2006 07:26:21




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 Re: O.T.----Building a Platform in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 09-22-2006 13:31:25  
Stan, I am learning Linux(Fedora) and for some reason Yt won't recognise my password for coloken when using Linus. I am in old Windooze now. . Me and the boss will work on it some day when he gets over the new server thing.
Kennyp



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xcoloken

09-22-2006 08:48:51




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 Re: O.T.----Building a Platform in reply to xcoloken, 09-22-2006 08:45:10  
Back then, railroad ties were ties, not the little sticks we see now. With a windmill, have tank overflow run to your garden.



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Circus

09-22-2006 08:26:21




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 Re: O.T.----Building a Platform in reply to 1945 A, 09-22-2006 06:15:14  
Relax, Some pick ups weight that. The question is, is it 6" or 60' high?



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evilboweviel

09-22-2006 06:37:17




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 Re: O.T.----Building a Platform in reply to 1945 A, 09-22-2006 06:15:14  
water weighs 8.329 lbs per gallon at 70 degf so recheck your math
800x8.329=6663.2 lbs for water alone not counting the tank
Ron



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T_Bone

09-22-2006 06:34:39




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 Re: O.T.----Building a Platform in reply to 1945 A, 09-22-2006 06:15:14  
Hi 1945A,

The water weighs 8.33 x 800 = 6664lbs
plus the weight of the tank
plus the weight of the frame
plus the weight of snow/rain load
plus the weight of wind load.
plus the safety factor

or ruffly a structure that's got too support 30000lbs depending on tank hieght and wood finish. Unfinished wood could take that number too 60000lbs real easy.

That's a involed serious structure!

T_Bone

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bjb in NE

09-22-2006 09:37:29




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 Re: O.T.----Building a Platform in reply to T_Bone, 09-22-2006 06:34:39  
While im only a structural engineering student, the value that T-bone gave of 30,000# is way more structure you will need. For 800 gallons of storage a round container that had a radius of 3.25' and a hieght of 3.25' would almost exactly hold that much water. The water would weigh as said before 6,600 pounds. If we assume the tank with a roof could be built for about 500#, and assume a snow load of 50psf (pounds per square feet) (over estimated for most of the nation), when I apply the first three equations in the load factored resistance design method, I get a weight of 12100# that the structure would need to support. Because I am calcuating for the weight at the top of the platform, weight of the frame is negelceted. Also if this tower is under 10', with a round tank, and open frame, wind load is most likely insignificate as compared to the water load, even less so than if it shelterd by trees or buildings. If you were to have an open tank, and design so it would hold exactly 800 gallons, snow and rain load could also be negelcted (it would already be counted for in the weight of the water. Then you would only have a wieght of 11,300 pounds on the platform to deal with.

Another option would be to buy a poly stock tank from Tractor supply (just the example i found) that holds 625 gals (8' diameter x 2' high). With the same assumptions as before (500# for tank an roof), the platform would only have to hold 10000# with a roof or 9000# without one.

I dont have a design manual for wood, so I cannot preform any analysis on how big the column (posts) and cross bracing would have to be.

If you are unsure of how big to build it, it is advised that you see a local civil engineering firm that has a LICENCSED structural engineer on hand. Not only would they be able to tell you the size of posts, but also the size of the foundation for your area. It may cost a bit, but 6,600# coming crashing to the ground might spoil someones day.

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T_Bone

09-22-2006 14:04:56




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 Re: O.T.----Building a Platform in reply to bjb in NE, 09-22-2006 09:37:29  
Hi bjb,

Glad to see a inspiring engineer join the forums. This would make a excellant first "what if" project for you.

May I suggest you copy the info given at the time when you made your post, including all the responses, and run it by your instructor.

I would bet the first thing he'll ask you is where is this being built at? Of course we don't know as that info is missing and would make a huge difference in the design of the structure.

Besure an run your wind load therory by him.

It would be interesting to here his response!

T_Bone

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