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Installing Ceramic Tile

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1945 A

12-15-2005 05:45:27




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I"m about to replace the linoleum flooring in my kitchen. Here"s my question. I replaced the carpet in a bathroom floor a couple of years ago, and bought the mortar mix from Home Depot. It seems that when I was a kid, the guys that installed tile used a portland/sand mix for the "underlayment", and then a thin set mortar for the joints.
Has anyone else used the portland/sand mix to set tile, or is that method not used?

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Waljohn

12-15-2005 13:28:26




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 Re: Installing Ceramic Tile in reply to 1945 A, 12-15-2005 05:45:27  
If the floor is cement, make sure there are no low spots. They make a filler that you spread out that will fill and even the concrete.



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1945 A

12-15-2005 11:25:14




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 Re: Installing Ceramic Tile in reply to 1945 A, 12-15-2005 05:45:27  
Thanks for all the replies!
I'll do what I did when I put the bathroom floor in, and buy the mortar for tile laying.
Thanks again!



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Jay (ND)

12-15-2005 11:18:08




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 Re: Installing Ceramic Tile in reply to 1945 A, 12-15-2005 05:45:27  
It's been a couple of years since I did once, but I don't believe you use a portland/sand mix - I don't think it's flexible enough. You do use a thin set for the grout. I would personally just go with what they recommend and not try to save pennies. I saw a guy that did and the floor eventually came up. All (about 6) floors that I've done we didn't scrimp and they are staying put.



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Slowpoke

12-15-2005 11:59:02




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 Re: Installing Ceramic Tile in reply to Jay (ND), 12-15-2005 11:18:08  

I would use thinset for laying the tile and grout for between tiles. Concrete is a good base. Don't forget that your tile will add about 1/4" + to the floor height.



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farmerwannabe

12-15-2005 09:14:53




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 Re: Installing Ceramic Tile in reply to 1945 A, 12-15-2005 05:45:27  
John"s right...the cement board is used for flat surfaces such as floors. I just helped put one in a couple of months ago. It was only my second job at tiling, but it"s not hard at all...and the results are great! Just make sure to screwe the cement board in well. REALLY well. And make sure the head of the screws are set all the way into the cement board so the tiles don"t ride up on "em at all. After the cement board"s down all the way, lay your tile out completely and see make sure you keep track of what pieces go where.

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John in B-ton

12-15-2005 05:59:34




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 Re: Installing Ceramic Tile in reply to 1945 A, 12-15-2005 05:45:27  
the current industry standard is to use a cement board underlayment, then a tile mortar specifically designed for ceramic tile. Most of the mortar mixes contain additives to allow for flex while retaining adhesion.

In bathroom shower stalls with floors slanted to the drain and very small tiles, a very dry portland cement/sand mixture is used to form the floor as it is not flat.



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1945 A

12-15-2005 09:24:34




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 Re: Installing Ceramic Tile in reply to John in B-ton, 12-15-2005 05:59:34  
I should have stated that the surface beneath the linoleum is concrete.
I know about cement board, but thought that was used when the surface was absorbent (like drywall, for example). Are you saying it (cement board) is used regardless of the surface beneath the tile now days?



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Jay (ND)

12-15-2005 11:09:15




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 Re: Installing Ceramic Tile in reply to 1945 A, 12-15-2005 09:24:34  
If you can lift the linoleum and the concrete underneath is not cracked, there is no reason to use cement board. A concrete floor is flat out the best backing for tile.



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don t-9n180179

12-15-2005 10:13:02




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 Re: Installing Ceramic Tile in reply to 1945 A, 12-15-2005 09:24:34  
I installed a 3/4 bath in the basement. I used cement board on top of the concrete floor, used mesh and the tile cement to kinda make a floating cement board floor. Installed tile on top. Extra cost and labor, but I figgered it would be easier if the better half wanted to change it later on. Little over 2 years later, no problems. One potential problem in your situation would be floor height related to under cabinet appliances (i.e. dishwasher). You may not be able to get it out for servicing if ya use cement board.
HTH....good luck....don t. ....

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