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REDJD

01-15-2006 11:24:48




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What is the difference between cut tires and top cut tires? Thanks




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Lamont

01-15-2006 11:57:06




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to REDJD, 01-15-2006 11:24:48  
The way I've come to understand it is CUT tires are for open or modified classes. TOP CUT tires are for tractor owners who want to pull their open or modified tractors in farmstock classes. Sorry. Just couldn't resist that opening. I love to tell the TRUTH. Some will want to argue about it, but just watch how many of them will pull with TOP CUT tires in the farmstock class, then change to the wheels and CUT tires and pull the SAME TRACTOR in the open and modified classes. That paints the picture clear enough for me. Proponents call it "leveling the field." Leveling the field according to that definition would be "run what you brung." Play fair.

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Two Tone

01-15-2006 20:02:41




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Lamont, 01-15-2006 11:57:06  
Top cut tires have the top of the cleat shaved, full cuts have the cleat tapered and the front cut vertical leaving a sharp leading edge. Top cut tires are for loosers! If they could win they would not have to cut their tires. Top cuts are also for pullers who are to lazy to go through the bone yards looking for a set of tires naturally worn that will work. Machine altered tires are for the modified classes! Keep them out of stock!
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Hillbilly Hooker

01-16-2006 19:45:33




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Two Tone, 01-15-2006 20:02:41  
Two, have you forgot? Your tires were intentionally road worn. The guy that did that was intentionally trying to make a living runing them up and down the road. Wouldnt that be intentional? LoL H.H.



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Two Tone

01-16-2006 20:24:35




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Hillbilly Hooker, 01-16-2006 19:45:33  
Duh,Huh He just happened to be mowing the highway right of way while looking for treasures.
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REDJD

01-16-2006 11:18:44




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Two Tone, 01-15-2006 20:02:41  
Thanks Two Tone for ansering my question, I'm knew to the sport of pulling.The club where I live allows top cut tires in farm stock 2 class.
Though I plan to find some naturally worn tires.
Sorry, I didn't mean to start anything.



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Lamont

01-15-2006 21:19:03




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Two Tone, 01-15-2006 20:02:41  
You tell 'em Two Tone. You've pulled with cuts and non-cuts and have proven successful with both. I don't think I'd have a problem telling someone with cut tires, "Sorry, your tires are cut. You'll have to pull in the modified class." These people can make all the excuses they want about "leveling the playing field." They need to quit trying to pull tractors with 100 HP in the lightweight farmstock classes. Anything close to farmstock ain't going to spin a cut tire anyway, especially blowing the speed limit horn. They need to quit worrying about the tire surface and maybe check the tech crew for backbones.

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Bull

01-15-2006 20:22:44




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Two Tone, 01-15-2006 20:02:41  
BULL HOCKEY!!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!!



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Lamont

01-15-2006 21:10:03




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Bull, 01-15-2006 20:22:44  
Can you expound on that?



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jd b puller

01-15-2006 19:24:32




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Lamont, 01-15-2006 11:57:06  
Lamont, what are you talking about? Everyone knows that the "top cut" tractors are bone stock. Course, I still can't figure out why almost all of them blow the horn. Must be a glitch on all the sleds...



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Hillbilly Hooker

01-16-2006 20:31:21




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to jd b puller, 01-15-2006 19:24:32  
Well Mr JD b , Most tractors besides JOHN DEERES dont go 1.2mph in low gear. You can check in the Nebraska test book and most all Molines are over 3mph at stock RPM. in low gear. I know you may find that hard to believe since you pull a J.D. So I guess that is why they made a farm stock and a super farm class. There are several other brands that have a hard time staying under the 3mph horn. H.H.

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BULL

01-15-2006 19:06:27




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Lamont, 01-15-2006 11:57:06  
BULL HOCKEY!!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!



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Lamont

01-15-2006 21:10:39




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to BULL, 01-15-2006 19:06:27  
Once again, could you expound on that?



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Hillbilly Hooker

01-16-2006 19:32:51




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Lamont, 01-15-2006 21:10:39  
Let me "Splain" something to you pro-fessional pullers. We run a set of top cut tires. The choice is there, either farm stock or super farm which allows top cut tires, so what is your gripe? Its your choice. As far as what tire is superior over another, I just ran my top-cuts for the first time this past weekend. Guess What? The top four tractors did not all have top cuts, only mine. One that took 1st place had a brand new set with the tips still on. The other had a set that was slick as the back of my hand. The 4th place had a set that had been spun backwards. And mine was 3rd. In another class the slick tires took 1st mine was 2nd. So yall dont need to try to tell me that top cuts will dominate, BULL HOCKEY. The tractor that wins is the driver that knows how to ballance his tractor properly and reads the track. The speed limit evens the playing field. So get a life and quit yer bit*chin. H.H.

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Marty in Mi.

01-17-2006 13:45:06




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Hillbilly Hooker, 01-16-2006 19:32:51  
AMEN,Hooker!



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Lamont

01-17-2006 02:37:55




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Hillbilly Hooker, 01-16-2006 19:32:51  
OK. Since you have proven that the top-cuts won't dominate, there shouldn't be a need to allow them. Right????? After all, you just said they don't make a difference. You know that over a long period of results, top-cuts will dominate!!!!! That is why you, and everyone else who is pulling a tractor that should be in the Open or Modified class, has them. If that's not the reason, please "splain" why someone would go to the trouble and expense of top-cutting. Just for looks?

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Hillbilly Hooker

01-17-2006 19:50:46




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Lamont, 01-17-2006 02:37:55  
First of all why do you say our tractor should be pulling in open class? It is stock bore, stock stroke,has never been overhauled. Now why should that tractor be in the open classes with bored and stroked tractors? Second of all you have missed the whole point. They have a class for uncut stock tractors and they have a class for stock tractors with top cut tires. Why do you have a problem with that???? If the rules say you can run top cuts what ist fair about that? Thats all I have to say about this. I have more important things to do than argue over this!!!!! !!!!

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Lamont

01-17-2006 20:42:30




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Hillbilly Hooker, 01-17-2006 19:50:46  
You're right. Where you and I pull there is a class for both. I'll have to say that's fair. But these poor fellows that don't get that choice are the ones I feel for. How long is it going to be before the numbers in the classes dwindle down and then they get combined? Just don't think it's good idea.



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Marty in Mi.

01-17-2006 14:11:31




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Lamont, 01-17-2006 02:37:55  
If one sits back and watches the farm stock,non altered tire classes,one can easily discern the two REAL reasons for not wanting top cuts:
1) Has road worn tires-therefore would loose competitive edge when a like tire pulls against him/herself.
2)Has just blew a considerable sum on brand new tires and gets really annoyed when EITHER road worn or top altered beats him/her.
The ones who are in favor of reason#2 also open up another can of worms-in that they don't think any excessive road wear should be allowed either.Now we need to come up with a defination of what excessive road wear is.
I'll say it again:A SHARP TIRE IS A SHARP TIRE-IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW IT GOT THAT WAY-IT IS STILL SHARP! Marty

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Lamont

01-17-2006 15:08:35




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 More Double-Talk????? in reply to Marty in Mi., 01-17-2006 14:11:31  
You can double-talk just as good as HH. First you AMEN him on his "proof" that top-cuts won't dominate. (Still haven't figured out why someone would want to do it.) Then you post that you are in favor of top-cuts; "A SHARP TIRE IS A SHARP TIRE IS A SHARP TIRE." Let me make an added note to that. A SHARP"ER" TIRE IS A SHARP"ER" TIRE IS A SHARP"ER" TIRE. I don't even pull farmstock anymore. I pull OPEN with cut tires where all cut tires should be. However, I do have friends and relatives who pull farmstock, and that is where most YOUNG pullers do their learning. I just don't like the idea of a kid on dad's old tractor getting beat up by someone with more money than him or his dad's got. I think the real problem is some people expect to win EVERY time so new allowances are made due to weakness or fear. Weakness - of those who won't call a cut tire a cut tire because they might hurt Joe Bob's feelings. Fear - those who are afraid that their tractor can't handle the jump into the OPEN class. EGO PROBLEMS go along with those who have money. The rich man can stand being beat by the poor man. This is a GAME. It's not life or death.

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Marty in Mi.

01-18-2006 15:25:12




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 Re: More Double-Talk????? in reply to Lamont, 01-17-2006 15:08:35  
You hit the nail right on the head-this sport that we are involved with is indeed a game.In any legitamate game there are rules.These rules are supposed to apply to everyone.So why is it OK for Jim Bob to run a NATURALLY cut tire,but Joe Bob is limited to something less than that.Joe Bob can spend a few hours top-cutting his tires and stand a legitamate of beating Jim Bob now.And if Joe does get by Jim a few too many times,then you can bet that Jim will either make a big fuss about getting beat,or do the right thing and get his grinder out and "git er' done" so that they are both playing by the same set of rules.The top cut rule makes playing the game a lot more competitive and a lot more fun.And you also don't need to have a special commitee there to decide whether a tire is or is not cut.By the way Lamont,you must be a bull-headed German like me.Keep your stick on the ice.
Marty

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HillBully Hooker

01-17-2006 20:16:29




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 Re: More Double-Talk????? in reply to Lamont, 01-17-2006 15:08:35  
100% legal I guess!!



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Jak

01-16-2006 07:37:28




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Lamont, 01-15-2006 21:10:39  
Hey Lamont look at his IP address,its very close to yours,same server/provider?I agree with you on the tire issue but what can one or two do when they are overruled by the division 3/open and up owners that can't compete in thier own class?There are some that will run through mud right before the pull to cover up thier cleats trying to buffalo the officials,and some that cut them and then run a torch over them to try to disguise them also,and radials with the serial numbers ground off.Makes one wonder what else someone like that is capable of in other circumstances???I may have to run top cuts one day but it won't be because I am for it,it will be because there isn't anymore non cut farm classes."Strokerfest Much"!!!!

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case ih

01-15-2006 17:06:00




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Lamont, 01-15-2006 11:57:06  
Lamont iam not going to argue. I agree 100%.Its good to see someone speak the truth on this subject.



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Rahlo

01-15-2006 19:49:22




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to case ih, 01-15-2006 17:06:00  
Lamont, Lamont, Lamont, there you go trying to stir the shoup again. I just can't believe you think the tractors that pull top cuts in the farm stock aren't stock. I've seen those same tractors, ie; G JDs, GB MMs, M FAs, 77 Olies and that little Case 700 of yours pull 18 and 20 feet implaments in the field. I am shocked that you would think they're not stock. Then you go so far as to acuse them of putting on cut tires and pulling in the Mods. I'm flabbergasted!!!!!

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Turtle Gears

01-16-2006 17:34:15




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 Re: CUT TIRES in reply to Rahlo, 01-15-2006 19:49:22  
SAY WHAT!!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!! Oh-OK! Thats right Rahlo,MAN-MAN-MAN. T.G.



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