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Dave S

07-03-2004 19:35:05




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I'm running a tube type intake on my tractor and carb freezes up. Any one else have this trouble and does any one know of a cure? Thanks, Dave S




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ChadS

07-04-2004 07:57:17




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 Re: Carb freezing up in reply to Dave S, 07-03-2004 19:35:05  
This is a good thing, unless it it is messing with the idle circuits, or stopping the function of the carb. It is a cooling effect when the conditions are right in the air and fuel ratios,, All of my carbs after tuning them either sweat, or frost over, even on 90 degree days, cooler air is more HP,, I am not for sure of the exact term of this, but it is not a bad thing!! If you want to make it stop, richen the mixture,, or lean it out, either way it cahnges the temperature, due to the mixing of the air fuel charge. ChadS

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Dave S

07-04-2004 13:55:58




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 Re: Re: Carb freezing up in reply to ChadS, 07-04-2004 07:57:17  
Chad, not a good thing when you have to let tractor sit for 5 minutes so it will start again! The tractor is a 42 DC with 4 5/8 bore and 5 1/2 stroke with 13.5 to 1 comp. Have a home made stainless tube intake and a m/s usx 36 carb. The carb is rebuilt but I don't know anything about adjusting this one. Want to put in cooler plugs before putting on dyno. They put alot of dry block in this motor and it heats up real fast. Maybe won't be able to dyno. Suggestions? Dave S

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ChadS

07-05-2004 06:28:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Carb freezing up in reply to Dave S, 07-04-2004 13:55:58  
I can say this,, I have yet to see a tractor, after it has been properly tuned up on the dyno, that had not sweat, or frost over all the time. If you cant start the engine even when warmed up, you better look at the carb again. If you are not using a dyno to tune this engine you are gonna be pulling your hair out before you hook to the sled, Plain and simple!! Also, let me guess, is it a huge carb???? May have took all the vacuum pressure of the manifold, from the big intake you built, and if it is a big carb, and still running low rpms, Goes back to the post from last week on efficency,, Like I said, it is common, when the conditions are right. Alcohol can accelerate this condition, but have seen it frost with 94 octane too. You may still have trouble in the carb,, better look at it again,, you should be able to run the rpm at high idle, tune the jet adjustment, and make it smoke a bit, turn it back in till it just smooths out, the plugs should be cocoa color for a good burn in the cyl, I would bet they are white from lean,, or if it is off by vacuum, it will be black. ChadS

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buickanddeere

07-04-2004 16:25:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Carb freezing up in reply to Dave S, 07-04-2004 13:55:58  
Run it rich to fuel cool it like a radial aircraft engine. Leaded fuel will assist valve life with such an extreme machine. Amsoil or Mobil 1 synthetic oil will still be lubricating at temps where mineral oils burned away and let the engine seize. The carb gets cold at the venturi pressure drop and where fuel vapourizes. The tempurature does increase again some past the venturi restriction when pressure is increased and velocity decreases. Alcohol in the fuel will contribute to venturi and manifold freezing.

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Dave S

07-04-2004 18:23:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Carb freezing up in reply to buickanddeere, 07-04-2004 16:25:55  
buickanddeere, Do you have any experience with the m/s usx 36 carb? The main jet-load screw is only open 1 1/4 turns. Sure dosen't seem like much. Running sunoco 112 octane and cen pe co 40w racing oil. Dave S



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Ron

07-06-2004 05:18:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Carb freezing up in reply to Dave S, 07-04-2004 18:23:31  
Pay no attention to buickanddeere. He claims to be an expert on everything and knows nothing. Notice how he changes the subject and just rambles on?

To answer the question... it's called carburetor icing and is caused by the cooling from the venturi effect. It can only happen when there is enough mositure in the air. It's rarely a problem unless it builds up ice thick enough to shut off the engine. In that case, the carburetor will begin to warm due to heat transfer from the ambient air and conduction from the manifold and the ice will melt. The engine should be immediately restartable.

It should only happen in an engine that is not up to full operating temperature. If it happens to an engine that has been running 20 minutes or more, it's likely due to a wrong or missing thermostat.

I've seen people make intake heaters which are basically just shields that retain some of the air around the exhaust manifold and hold it next to the intake manifold. Others heat the actual intake air in the tube between the air cleaner and carburetor. But as you know, warm air = less power.

Having worked on nearly every carburetor made, the M-S carbs are my favorite. Reliable, easy to work on, respond to tuning very well. Like most carbs, you want to get the float level right.

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buickanddeere .....correc

07-05-2004 01:46:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Carb freezing up in reply to Dave S, 07-04-2004 18:23:31  
Never touched one of those carbs. Have you ever installed a O2 sensor in the exhaust and measure the voltage with a high input resisitance multimeter? . 0.7 volt is supposed to be 14.7 to 1 air/fuel ratio High voltage is richer and lower voltage is leaner. Leaded fuel will eventually ruin the sensor but they are cheap to purchases and will last a tuning session no problem. There is a guy in Mississauga that sells 116 octane unleaded race gas.

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buickanddeere

07-05-2004 01:45:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Carb freezing up in reply to Dave S, 07-04-2004 18:23:31  
Never touched one of those. Have you ever installed a O2 sensor in the exhaust and measure the voltage with a high input resisitance multimeter? . 0.7 is supposed to be 14.1 to 1 air/fuel ratio High voltage is richer and lower voltage is leaner. Leaded fuel will eventually ruin the sensor but they are cheap to purchases and will last a tuning session no problem. There is a guy in Mississauga that sells 116 octane unleaded race gas.

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