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Painting a Tractor that is Rusty

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420s

08-31-2004 18:11:03




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I Have a JD 420S and it has a bit of rust in a few area"s. My question is if I paint over the rust will it continue to rust or will this help or stop the rust process. I use my tractor every weekend and I don"t have access to a paint gun or a shop.

I would just like to rattle can it and wait until I can afford to do it right which may be 5-10 years away.

I know I don"t sound like a serious collector but right now I use this to much and can"t afford a professional paint job.

Thanks much, JD Earl

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CNKS

08-31-2004 18:18:37




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 Re: Painting a Tractor that is Rusty in reply to 420s, 08-31-2004 18:11:03  
Unless you are highly skilled and use good rattle can paint, your tractor looks better now (to me) than it will after you rattle can it. Guess I have seen too many lousy paint jobs. Yes, it will continue to rust under the paint. Nothing wrong with a rusty tractor in good mecahincal condition.



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Nathan in OK

09-01-2004 12:28:49




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 Re: Painting a Tractor that is Rusty in reply to CNKS, 08-31-2004 18:18:37  
The rust will eat away the metal!!!!
The paint will not stop the rust!!!!you must sand off ALL the rust. don't fool-around with rust, get ALL of it off.then you can get some good rattle can paint and paint over all the spots that you removed ALL the rust from, yeah and use rattle can paint with some kind of rust blocker in it. then in a few years when you can afford it you can get some really good paint on it. Nathan

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CNKS

09-01-2004 18:13:18




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 Re: Painting a Tractor that is Rusty in reply to Nathan in OK, 09-01-2004 12:28:49  
I have a 1941 Farmall H which I don't believe has ever been repainted -- probably outside it's entire life until about 3 years ago when I put up my building. Hood is rusted through in one place. Rest of sheet metal and cast just needs a good sanding and a quality paint job. On my list of things to do, was going to do it this winter, but have another tractor I just bought that I'm going to do first. I have been told that "rust blocking paint" will not adhere well to clean metal. (ROD??). To me there is simply no sense in doing a half-way paint job if you intend to do it right someday.

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Dozerboss

09-01-2004 20:36:45




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 Re: Painting a Tractor that is Rusty in reply to CNKS, 09-01-2004 18:13:18  
CNKS,
No problem with rust paints sticking to metal or stuff like picklex. The trouble comes when you topcoat it. The por 15 rust paint doesn't accept top coats well. (peeling/chips) There is a special primer called tie bond that is suppose to seal it off. You have to prep metal for it like your removing rust and use a metal conditioner called Marine clean. You may as well continue and remove all the rust. Very expensive with the paint, primer, and marine clean for paint that is UV sensitive and fades quickly left on it's own. Rod has used Extend brand successfully.

Nathan,
Your right about removing rust to eliminate it. Rattle can paint won't prevent rust returning. The only primer that will prevent rust on its own is 2 part epoxy. It is water proof. The other paints are poreous and allow moisture to reach the metal. Overtime surface rust slowly occurs. This is basically how a painted surface gets surface rust--from below the paint where it slowly develops. Then when topcoats are decayed by the elements the process speeds up.

Since Earl has already said he can't paint it now correctly, My suggestion is a canvas tarp to cover it when not in use, if he can't shed it. The tarp would at least stop UV rays from futher decay of the top coat and protect it from rain and night time moisture. Thus slowing the rusting until he can take care of it. Canvas doesn't breath well so machinery should be checked for moisture under canvas in humid weather. Like the water that forms on the outside of an icy drink. Not perfect but a way to slow the process, also good for the starter and Gen or alternator protecting them from rain water.

To me it depends on whether he will strip the paint, or be willing to, should he decide Extend or a rust converter over the rust now with a rattle can top coat is what he wants to do. I agree rattle can over the whole tractor will not look very good and would eventually need stripping.

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CNKS

09-02-2004 17:40:12




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 Re: Painting a Tractor that is Rusty in reply to Dozerboss, 09-01-2004 20:36:45  
The "rust blocker" I thought Nathan was referring to is Rustoleum-type topcoats. I thought they did not adhere well unless there was rust. Sort of like using a rust converter where there is no rust, and trying to paint over that. I have no desire to use either POR 15 or Rustoleum, so I probably should not have commented on things I have had no experience with.



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Dozerboss

09-02-2004 21:54:08




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 Re: Painting a Tractor that is Rusty in reply to CNKS, 09-02-2004 17:40:12  
I didn't catch that, now that you mention it I recall that from reading the rustoleom cans. Reading leaves you wondering what a "rust blocker" is. Possibly enamel until enough moisture makes it through? : )

They used to contain fishoil in their rusty metal paint, but no more. Now i notice they too are making a rust conversion paint. I have found the perfect application for such a product that no one can argue with (i think). A lawn mower cart that has perfect paint but is bleeding out rust from under the front wall. It's spot welded and they didn't use any seam sealer. So the metal flanges are rusting from within. Think i might tape everything off and flip it down and let something form of converter run into the seam. Will have to study it some more and look for something that wont harm existing paint.

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