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6030MATT

02-20-2008 18:26:14




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My question is will I get good results on the frame and castings applying ag green from the johndeere store. I am going to add hardner to the paint and apply it with an HVLP gun. My definition of good results is the way it came from the factory. Not looking for an absolute jaw drop paint job. Any other advice and comments much appreciated.




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CNKS

02-23-2008 12:33:11




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 Re: Ag green paint ?? in reply to 6030MATT, 02-20-2008 18:26:14  
As to gun adjustments, most HVLP guns are best used "wide open". If I want a smaller pattern, I used a smaller touch up gun and never mess with the fan pattern. Most guns are adjusted with the fluid control about a half turn from fully open -- the point at which the adjustment screw comes out -. My Sata says use it fully open with no reduction. Air control is also set about 1/2 turn from wide open. Pressure is set at the maximum recommended pressure using the regulator on the wall and a gauge on the gun. The knob on the gun (if any) is set all the way open because it is too easy to get it accidentally out of adjustment when using the gun. In short, you make the settings and forget them. You do not ever need to change them except to make sure you have the correct settings after disassembly and cleaning.

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GlenIdaho

02-21-2008 09:25:07




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 Re: Ag green paint ?? in reply to 6030MATT, 02-20-2008 18:26:14  
Matt;

Some say that 90% of any good paint job is the prep work. You need to have a clean surface with all grease, wax, or loose paint removed. You will need to scuff the surface, feather any edges so the paint will blend and adhere to the surface. An automotive type wax/grease remover should be used to insure the surface is clean and ready for paint and then followed by a good primer compatible with your top coat.

I prefer to remove most of the parts so I can get around all surfaces. To me you just end up with a nicer paint job. Please don't consider this to be all inclusive concerning prep. it's just basic. Do some research or talk to the man at a local auto paint store. They a generally very helpful.

With that said, I have heard the JD paint is a good paint. One gentleman states that is all he uses for his show tractors.

A word of CAUTION. If the hardner you use has Isocyanates in it,you must use a supplied air system as it is very bad for your health. This includes eye protection as it will enter your body via the mucas membranes.

If you have never used a HVLP you should do a search of the archives for painting tips from the experts. I have found them to be very helpful. A properly adjusted gun is important for good application. Here's some tips that was sent to me from a friend for your gun and adjusting it properly. Hope they help.

"Few tips. Dissassemble the gun, I'm also referring to the cap, needle and seat. On my Sata, the air cap on front unscrews by hand, then a tool is used to unscrew the needle seat. It's the part that has the hole the needle tip sits into. also unscrew the needle adjustment knob and remove the needle and spring. Clean the needle itself. Inside the gun, material that wasn't flushed out can built up. get some little gun cleaning brushes and you may need a small awl to try and pick out some of that residue material. Use clean up grade lacquer thinner for gun cleaning. I buy it by the 5 gallon can at the paint store(about $30). I use an empty 5 gallon lacquer thinner can with a funnel to dump my waste. Solids settle to the bottom and I use the used solvent to start the burning pile. I also recommend using blue Nitrile gloves when handling solvent etc. Lacquer thinner will attack them, but not nearly as fast as latex gloves which will instantly dissolve. Adjusting a gun is relatively easy once you know what to look for. 1. Air pressure. Make sure your supply pressure is set at the factory recommended pressure. Now adjust the needle so that it allows you to squeeze the trigger fully. For the air adjustment on the gun, fill your cup partially with some lacquer thinner. Squeeze the trigger and adjust the air flow. Watch the spray coming out, you can see as you adjust the air flow when it is too much and forcing the thinner out and trying too hard- not smooth flow. Conversely when it's too low, it's not smooth either. You want to find that "happy place", and it's not that hard to do simply by looking at the flow and trying to get smooth, even flow. 2. adjusting the needle is simple. All you are doing is adjusting how much material can be allowed to flow. You are adjusting how far the trigger can be pulled. If you have a very thin paint material, set the trigger at the half way point. When you get more confidence and can control how fast you move the gun, you can start to use more trigger and move faster. On thicker materials you'll open up the trigger more. 3. the last adjustment is fan control. some guns have it, some don't. It just adjusts how big your spray pattern is from a small circle up the a large fan. Remember that when it's adjusted towards the smaller circular pattern, all that same material is going to be hitting a smaller spot so you have to move faster so you don't run or you have to reduce your trigger pull. the small patterin is used for getting into tight corners, whereas the large fan is used on larger, flatter panels. I would recommend that you NOT do any spraying in direct sun. It's going to heat up panels beyond the heat range for the material. Weather(moisture) should not affect the primer or paint you are using at all. Is your supply air clean and dry? Do you have a water trap, oil trap, and regulator on your supplied air? Do you Drain the water from your compressor tank regularly? I installed some pipe fittings and a ball valve on my compressor drain for easy draining. Temperature will have an effect if you are outside of the range for these products. I would always spray between 64 and 100F tops. At these extremes though, you should be using appropriate temperature range reducers(if the material calls for reducer)."

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6030MATT

02-21-2008 16:18:37




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 Re: Ag green paint ?? in reply to GlenIdaho, 02-21-2008 09:25:07  
Wow, thanks guys for the great information. Yes I am removing and sandblasting and cleaning as many parts as possible. I do realize using the paint gun will be a learn as I go deal. The only other question I have is, do I also use thinner in the john deere paint along with hardner, and are the ratios supplied with the can. Or is this also something I will have to trial and error to get the ratios dialed in?

THANKYOU

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GlenIdaho

02-21-2008 17:40:25




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 Re: Ag green paint ?? in reply to 6030MATT, 02-21-2008 16:18:37  
Hi Matt;

I would get the specs for the JD Paint and see what they say, even as to whether a hardner can be used with it. From what I have learned the manufacturers of these paints have it dialed in as to what you can and can't do. You might want to try the John Deere forum. There's probably plenty of folks there that are very familiar with JD paint and can steer you correctly. Hope this helps.

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AtlasHayCo

02-20-2008 21:18:57




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 Re: Ag green paint ?? in reply to 6030MATT, 02-20-2008 18:26:14  
Hi,

Now this is what you said...

"My question is will I get good results on the frame and castings applying ag green from the johndeere store."

I have done a little painting, and an HVLP works well. There are a lot of different tips (the actual tip of the gun) set in MM (millimeters) like 1.0, 1.8 and so on...

You need to mix the paint correctly for the humidity, and tempature, spray correctly, lap correctly and have the prepped metal or base real nice.

What I am actually getting at is - THERE ARE ALOT OF VARIABLES. What I would do is go ahead and read a bunch, read everything you can. Then formulate a more exacting question... then the local pro's on this board will be able to help.

YOU CAN GET GOOD RESULTS FROM ENAMEL WITH HARDENER, but I don't know if YOU will for sure.

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bst

02-21-2008 16:43:12




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 Re: Ag green paint ?? in reply to AtlasHayCo, 02-20-2008 21:18:57  
I thought it said Discussion forum not pro forum

just a thought bs



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AtlasHayCo

02-21-2008 16:45:34




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 Re: Ag green paint ?? in reply to bst, 02-21-2008 16:43:12  
You're right, I can guarantee ya' that there are quite a few paint pro's on here though. I am certainly not one of them.



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GlenIdaho

02-21-2008 17:46:14




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 bs and Atlas Re: experts in reply to AtlasHayCo, 02-21-2008 16:45:34  
hey guys; yes indeed there seems to be some pros on this forum. Not being an expert either I for one have really appreciated and benefited from their help. I think that's what this forum is about, people with varied knowledge and experience to help each other. The archives are full of great info as well.



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AtlasHayCo

02-21-2008 17:56:04




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 Re: bs and Atlas Re: experts in reply to GlenIdaho, 02-21-2008 17:46:14  
Yea - Just what you said. That is the magic of the internet and these discussion forums. If we can communicate well then we should be able to trade our knowledge between each other. I am kind of green on this board, and kind of excited.

I first painted a tractor about 4 years ago, a Farmall 504, and have since painted alot of other things. Cars, Trailers, all our exterior doors (with a air gun/and latex as well), all sorts of things.

I know that you can obtain a perfect paint job with this enamel paint/hardeners/reducers (you will encounter that oxycyantes or whatever that chemical is though). It is difficult the first time though.

I think that it may be smart to take the same paint and gun, and try them out on a lawnmower, a trailer, or something else just to get a feeling for spraying.

Thanks

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B-maniac

02-21-2008 18:38:13




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 Re: bs and Atlas Re: experts in reply to AtlasHayCo, 02-21-2008 17:56:04  
Your last paragraph said it all! I wasn't going to chime in on this post but doing test panels before your project is something I have preached on here forever. This is the ONLY way you will get an answer to your original question rather than just opinions. No one else has your exact conditions for spraying so no one else can tell you exactly what will or won't work or how it will look. Even after 35 yrs , if I were to be given a completely off brand product to what I have used , even I would spray out a panel just to be sure how it acts and what it wants before doing the project. The more common sense and the less male ego you have the better painter you will be. Sounds like you have what it takes. Good luck! "B"

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