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Getting A 1950 Oliver Down To 8000 lbs?

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1206SWMO

12-28-2005 19:18:30




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Will this get an Oliver 1950 4-53 Detroit down to 7800 lbs so I can pull the 8000 lb class.I weigh 200 lbs.

Narrow front with 6x16's
Wood or fiberglass grill
Dual hubs with cut 18.4x38's on pressed steel rims
Pull the PTO assembly
Take off all 3pt stuff except the housing
Take off the fenders
Run 3 gals of fuel
Homemade pulling drawbar

It now weighs 12,400 lbs with 80 % full 18.4x38's, WF,3 pt,pto,and full of fuel.It had the starter weight on the front too.

I need 400 horses to pull it at 10,000.So its drop to 8000 or forget it.I'm guessing I cant make 8000 without taking the complete 3 pt off and going to a lighter rear end.

Lee W that posts on here got a 1900 to 7000 lbs.

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Jim Pollock

12-30-2005 16:52:41




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 Re: Getting A 1950 Oliver Down To 8000 lbs? in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-28-2005 19:18:30  
There are a couple of Olivers with the detroit pulling around here. I think they pull in the 7,500 lb naturally aspirated class. They put in bigger injectors and had gears made to make the blower run faster than it is supposed to. They are limited to 3,000 rpm but they scream down the track and usually win. They even beat those hot rod 4020s.



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4010 puller

12-30-2005 06:52:54




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 Re: Getting A 1950 Oliver Down To 8000 lbs? in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-28-2005 19:18:30  
1206 SWMO:

It looks as if the guy that makes the aluminum grilles is from Pennsylvania. John/Brad Taggart and their # is 724-356-2765. I was thinking that their grill weigh"s ~ 25# and the one on my 1900 weighed about 500#, that outta make a difference.

Is it not obtainable to get 400 horse out of the little detroit? I was thinking at oen time you posted about a Super Stocked 1950 out of Missouri, do you have any pictures you can post on here to liven up this chat :) I can hear the screamin jimmy"s in my head now.

John

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1206SWMO

12-30-2005 18:46:17




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 Re: Getting A 1950 Oliver Down To 8000 lbs? in reply to 4010 puller, 12-30-2005 06:52:54  
John,thanks for the info on the Oliver aluminum grills.

Back in the very early 1970's a puller by the name of David Putnam from Palmyra,MO pulled a 1950 Oliver in the 12,000 SS class at the MO state fair.He had a 4-53T Detroit and seemed to have the power to run with the big dogs.I wish I had pictures of it but dont.

I have no idea how many horses he was making but it must have been near 300 or more??

They say this Oliver 1950 out of Kentucky is a hard runner.See link to picture.I heard it runs high 4th with a over-under.

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tom upton

12-29-2005 20:54:07




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 Re: Getting A 1950 Oliver Down To 8000 lbs? in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-28-2005 19:18:30  
I am thinking of doing the same with a 1900. I would like to keep tractor as original looking as possible. Am thinking fabricated light rectangular tube front axle and fabbed front bolster to simulate original wheatland axle.Other than that thinking I will do same as you are talking.In doing some real rougth calculations I am thinking 8500 is obtainable without loseing hydra-power ? I am pretty sure that there is a fellow who makes fiberglass grills for 4 digit. I will try to find # and post. By the way are you running turbo or?? I have seen pictures of a 1950 that is supposed to be non turboed that is putting about a foot of flame out the exhaust.It must have the jimmy in it because the crowd in the background ALL have there hands over there ears!! Good luck with your project ,I will be watching/hopeing for more posts on your progress.

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4010 puller

12-31-2005 08:10:51




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 Re: Getting A 1950 Oliver Down To 8000 lbs? in reply to tom upton, 12-29-2005 20:54:07  
Blaine:

I also have this fellow"s number. Brian Wood from Wooster, OH. His # is: 330-264-0826. As I said this man and the Taggart"s are supposed to make nice fiberglass grills, but I have no experience with them so your best bet is to call them and see the weight and price from each one. I do remember when I was looking for one for my 1900 that you have to drill your own holes in the grill when you get it, but it would be worth the weight loss. I did actually buy a emblem off of Brian Wood. AGCO does not make the emblem anymore for the top of the grill (just a decal now) and he made exact replica"s to fit the grill. It was somewhat expensive but beautiful, a decal had no comparison to this emblem.


As for power I do not know what to tell you. I was going to say turbo it but if you cannot then you may be nearing your limit. I have a real hot set of injectors here for one but it should at least have a turbo on it before attempting to run them or I think meltdown would occur.

Hope this helps.

John

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1206SWMO

12-30-2005 20:19:46




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 Re: Getting A 1950 Oliver Down To 8000 lbs? in reply to tom upton, 12-29-2005 20:54:07  
Tom, The guy in Ohio with the fiberglass Oliver hoods is Brian Wood.I have his phone number somewhere.

I'm not allowed to use a turbo.I have 70 injectors and turn it 3000 rpms.

Its sounds like I may not be able to make 8000 lbs without stripping it down lots further than I want too.I may just pull it at 13,200 a couple of times in 2006.

I already have a NF for it but may not get serious until 2007.I'm having a plow day at my farm next fall and numerous people want to drive my old Oliver plowing.I'd like to leave the 3pt on so we can pull a 5x16 IH semi mounted plow.

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oliver bob

12-29-2005 11:52:14




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 Re: Getting A 1950 Oliver Down To 8000 lbs? in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-28-2005 19:18:30  
I know a guy in Oklahoma that got his 1950 down to 7500#. But he didn't weigh 150# soaking wet, and he had to lose the complete Hydraulic unit and a few gaers out of the transmission. What I can't recall is if the hydra power drive had to go to or not. He really raised holy hell, and had a ton of fun doing it.



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JDH

12-29-2005 05:54:39




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 Re: Getting A 1950 Oliver Down To 8000 lbs? in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-28-2005 19:18:30  
send me an email I have some ideas to share. I"ll try to take a pic of my 1900 to send.



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1206SWMO

12-29-2005 16:40:24




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 Re: Getting A 1950 Oliver Down To 8000 lbs? in reply to JDH, 12-29-2005 05:54:39  
You have mail.



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Wrenchbender

12-29-2005 04:51:38




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 Re: Getting A 1950 Oliver Down To 8000 lbs? in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-28-2005 19:18:30  
I would say yes.

I put a 1750 in 8500#. I took off the fenders and brackets, 3PH stuff except cast lift arms, 18.4-38 pressed steel, wide front with 6-16 and even put a weight or two back on. WB.



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old

12-28-2005 19:32:52




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 Re: Getting A 1950 Oliver Down To 8000 lbs? in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-28-2005 19:18:30  
Your problem is the fluid in the tires. Go to add on type weights and empty the tire.



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1206SWMO

12-29-2005 16:35:09




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 Re: Getting A 1950 Oliver Down To 8000 lbs? in reply to old, 12-28-2005 19:32:52  
The tires I will be using are dry 18.4x38's on pressed steel rims.The factory cast center rims and 18.4x38 tires with 80% fluid wont be used.



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