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Ford 9N, 2N & 8N Discussion Forum
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8n Loader

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jhorn999

10-19-2006 07:35:06
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I just came across a loader really cheap. they say it was made to fit a jubilee. I have a 1950 8n. will this loader fit. modifying it is not a problem but i wanted to know if someone knew to what degree it will in to be modified.




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dlplost

10-19-2006 23:14:02
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to jhorn999, 10-19-2006 07:35:06  

For anyone out there thinking about putting a loader on thier "N", Don't let the nay-sayers scare you off of the loader. The Ford 8N works excelent with a loader.
I built my own loader on my 1950 back in 1984. It was built entirely out of scrap steel picked up from a local junk yard. (except for the hydraulics) Originally it ran of of the internal lift pump with the 3 point tied down. Yes it was slow, but it did work. Yes it's front heavy and hard to steer with just the loader on it, and lifting more than about 500# in the bucket will lift the rear wheels off the ground. You need the rear tires filled and weight on the back to ease the steering and let you lift a reasonable load.
So I built a backhoe to give it a counter weight.
And I installed the front mounted pump to run them on.
So now we have Rear ties filled with calcium, 300# of steel wheel weights on each rear rim, and a 1,500# Backhoe to counter balance my Loader...
What did that get me?
Bucket empty it steers with one finger on the wheel. Yes the more you load the bucket the harder it steers.
The loader will lift AND move up to 4,000# in the bucket (also have forks that bolt to the bucket)
It will lift more but then you loose traction with the rear wheels.
The Backhoe has a 13' reach from the pivot point, will lift 500# on the back of the bucket, and dig 6' down.
The loader takes about 1 day to take off or put back on, so I just leave it on, It has been on for 20 years.
The Backhoe IS removable, about 15 min on or off, it's just 2 QD's for the oil lines and 6 3/4" bolts. (it's bolted directly to the frame, not connected to the 3 point hitch.)
It has NEVER had a problem with the "weak" front axel, neither the loader or backhoe have ever bent or broken anything from usage.
It is the most usefull thing I have ever owned, and has paid for itself many thousands of times over.
As for the "normal" 8N tractor work that needs to be done... I just went out and bought a newer FORD 8N a 1952...one can NEVER have too many of them.
Oh yes, in the picture there is a 4' blade mounted on the backhoe bucket, i was pulling gravel out of the creek.

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corvette8n

10-19-2006 16:21:22
207.251.229.74



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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to jhorn999, 10-19-2006 07:35:06  
Scroll down a few pages to see my loader
two sets of holes in back for 8N or Jube.
The biggest problem I had was lining everything up by myself in the dark.
steers bettter than I thought it would, but I am using it as a hobby loader and not hauling much weight. I rebuilt the front end and painted it before I put loader on. Also found some of the bolts loose.Replaced all the bolts with new grade 8 gear.
Needed new pulley and coupler.

http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=572643

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Wi Craig

10-19-2006 15:28:36
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to jhorn999, 10-19-2006 07:35:06  
I was also told not to bother with a loader on my 8N. Too hard to steer, you'll end up with a two wheel tractor boy or that dang thing will lift the rear tires off the ground. Well I sold it and it is still a 4 wheel tractor. Saw it last week, I still stop over by the new owner just to say Hi, to the tractor that is. Just take it easy. Weight at the rear will help as will moving the tractor prior to turning due to no power steering. I had a Davis Skyline stepin. Search the archieves. This one would not have bolted to a NAA.Good luck. Craig

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Ramon

10-19-2006 11:29:03
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to jhorn999, 10-19-2006 07:35:06  
What you will need to remember is pressure! The N series hydraulic pump is a low pressure system & the 53/54 NAA was a high pressure (sort of) pump.



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MikeRW

10-19-2006 11:15:09
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to jhorn999, 10-19-2006 07:35:06  
Build youself a jig out of a couple of 4X4 posts and a cross piece so that you can drive between the posts and with the help of a few pulley's and some rope you can unpin and detach the loader when not in use. It takes me about 5 minutes to detach and about 10-15 minutes to re-attach. Much easier to steer without the loader on. I also don't hit near as many saplings and such when mowing without the loader attached. Its a great option to have.

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Bob

10-19-2006 07:41:56
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to jhorn999, 10-19-2006 07:35:06  
IIRC, the Jub is a little longer from the front mounting point of the loader to the two fender mounting bolts on each rear axle. I think some loaders, the Davis, for example, had an extra hole or two back there, and will swap between the tractors without mods. Don't know about other brands, though!



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jhorn999

10-19-2006 07:49:21
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to Bob, 10-19-2006 07:41:56  
Thanks. That is what I thought. I"m not sure what kind of loader it is but it looks brandnew. the guy just wants it out of his way. i figued even if i have to cut it in half to make it fit it"s still worth $250



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Bob

10-19-2006 07:51:04
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to jhorn999, 10-19-2006 07:49:21  
LUCKY DOG... finding a deal like that!



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jhorn999

10-19-2006 07:56:11
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to Bob, 10-19-2006 07:51:04  
If I put this loader on my tractor and go to a 16" rim to get a heavy dutier tire, do i need to do any thing else or should the front end hold up?



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Bob

10-19-2006 08:23:14
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to jhorn999, 10-19-2006 07:56:11  
With reasonable use, they hold up pretty well. My Uncle had an 8N that was previously owned for YEARS by a construction outfit. They had braced the underside of the front axle with a truss, and it's UNBELIEVABLE the amount of sand and dirt that tractor had moved in it's working life. They used it like you see a Bobcat used today. We used it for years on the farm, and beat the snot out of it with the loader, and it still held up

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Tom Veenker

10-19-2006 09:02:30
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to Bob, 10-19-2006 08:23:14  
I'm going to agree with Bob on this one - I have an 8N with a FEL - I have a set of forks for it, a 4 foot dirt bucket and a 6 foot snow bucket. It works great for me for all those uses. I also have a 9N - I would not ever consider a FEL for the 9N. I did add power steering to the 8N. As far as additional weight on the back, I also have a backhoe, but I don't leave the boom/bucket on unless I'm going to use it. IMO - the 8N is built much sturdier than the 9N.

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Joe (IN)

10-19-2006 08:19:36
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to jhorn999, 10-19-2006 07:56:11  
No and no - as in no, there's not really anything else you can do other than go to 16 inch wheels and tires and no, the front end won't hold up. You'll find it'll be necessary to either fill your rear tires with fluid or add weights to the rear to keep the tractor from tipping forward with a load on it. The vintage Fords weren't designed for loader duty. The front axles on these tractors are designed to hold up 10 gallons of gas and an engine. When you add a loader, you increase the amount of force applied to the front axle exponentially because the weight is carried in front of the axle. The steering gets hard and it'll really put the screws to the spindle thrust bearings and the king pin. I've been into the front of a couple tractors that had done extended loader duty and it's not cheap or easy to put them right again. A front loader sure is handy, but it doesn't do the tractor any good.

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jhorn999

10-19-2006 08:32:51
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to Joe (IN), 10-19-2006 08:19:36  
Thats what i thought. the loader has a small bucket, 48" at the most. I don't plan on working it to hard. I have a old slip scraper that i use for moveing alot of dirt.I just wanted the loader to mainly do some leveling. its a real pain to have to take of the scaper to put on a box blade just to spead a little spot.



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hvw

10-19-2006 08:51:04
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to jhorn999, 10-19-2006 08:32:51  
I'm going to add to this, even though I shouldn't, by suggesting that Joe is right. I've seen two utility 3000's and one 2000 with front axles broken by overusing a loader. The axle setup on those models is virtually the same as an 8N. In addition, if you don't have power steering it won't be fun at all to use. At that price I'd buy it just to resell. Just my $0.02.



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Bob

10-19-2006 09:01:05
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to hvw, 10-19-2006 08:51:04  
WELL, there's USING, and there's OVERUSING....

If he's just puttering around the yard, moving and leveling a little dirt, perhaps mowing some snow, he'll never have a problem with the front axle. If he's going to lift all the loader can, then drive as fast as possible over rough, ot mucky terrain, that's another matter!



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hvw

10-19-2006 12:08:01
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to Bob, 10-19-2006 09:01:05  
You're right about that!



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jhorn999

10-19-2006 09:27:53
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to Bob, 10-19-2006 09:01:05  
Thanks guys for all the info. this is my first post I'm sure there will be many more. I'll send pictures when i move my first load of dirt. then i'll send more pictures when i replace my broken front end.I hope that will satisfy every one. Thanks for the help.



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Tom Veenker

10-19-2006 11:01:48
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to jhorn999, 10-19-2006 09:27:53  
"I'll send pictures when i move my first load of dirt. then i'll send more pictures when i replace my broken front end.I hope that will satisfy every one"
LOL --- You know what "they" say --- you can't please ALL of the people ALL of the time !!!



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dwol

10-19-2006 10:29:55
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to jhorn999, 10-19-2006 09:27:53  

Just my 2 cents. I had a FEL and took it off, cause it needed work (cylinders leaked,and pump not alligned). It hasn't been back since. It was nice to have, but the tractor is soooo much nicer without it. I still needed to move stuff arround, so I bought a dirt scoop, brand new for about 300 bucks. I'm sure you could get one cheeper used. Anyway, I use it just like the loader, except it doesn't hurt anything (except my neck from always turning arround):)

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MELVIN STERN

10-19-2006 16:48:36
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to dwol, 10-19-2006 10:29:55  
WHERE CAN I GET A DIRT SCOOP.



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dwol

10-21-2006 08:19:55
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 Re: 8n Loader in reply to MELVIN STERN, 10-19-2006 16:48:36  
I got my scoop though northern tool. They arn"t the cheapest, but It was shipped right to my door.



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