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Paul in MD

12-18-2004 12:57:11

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Where's the best place to hook a chain to an 8n to minimize the chance of it flipping over? Is the ring under the rear axle better (see photo) or the draw bar?

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Don in California

12-20-2004 15:51:34

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 12:57:11

My neighbor uses his 4w diesel PU to pull stumps. If $$ isn't an issue consider renting a stump grinder....about a year ago it cost me less than $100 rent (8 hr running time on the grinder) to grind down 30-35 stumps of various diameters up to about 2ft to a level below ground enough so I can run my riding lawn tractor over-em. Grinding is not a bad way to go if you don't need to remove the entire stump. Grinder came on it's own trailer and was self propelled. Was surprized how fast a grinder can chip a stump down!

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MikeT

12-19-2004 09:26:27

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Alternative method in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 12:57:11

buy a 100 lbs or so of potassium nitrate. Use a cordless drill to drill several holes in each stump and pour the holes full of the nitrate (about 5 lbs per stump). soak the stump down and let it set all winter. In the summer when the stump is dry set the stump on fire. The nitrate will sustain combustion and the stump and roots will all burn out.

Place to buy Potassium Nitrate

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Erik Graham

12-19-2004 09:20:13

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 12:57:11

Paul;
Your post doesn't mention what size stumps you are pulling or what type of tree. I learned the hard way that the first step is not to cut the tree too close to the ground. Extra height will give you extra leverage. I was able to pull a bunch of 3"to 5" cedar stumps out with my back blade. I first backed into the stump with the blade a little off the ground. Then raised the blade and backed it over the stump, lowered it, and moved the tractor forward. Doing this a couple of times worked for me. I have read that for larger stumps some folks advocate the use of a rear tire rim and a chain. The rim is positioned near the stump, the chain secured to the stump and travels over the top of the rim to the draw bar of your tractor. The rim works as a fulcrum and helps to draw the stump upward. Most of the old stump pullers that I have seen pictures of seem to focus on pulling the stump vertically as opposed to horizontally.

Cheers, ERik

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Dave H (NY)

12-19-2004 08:11:26

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 12:57:11

Paul, I have pulled stumps and dug them out, not an easy task reguardless of how you do it, I have cut down roughly 400 trees on my property over the last two years with atleast that many to go, I recently bought a three point backhoe that has greatly helped in stump removal, I dig around them first then just grab them with the bucket at the base and pop them out. In pulling stumps with the tractor as others have said pull from as low as possible on the tractor and 2 or 3 feet up on the stump for leverage keep your foot on the clutch and be careful.

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Paul in MD

12-18-2004 17:50:10

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 12:57:11

Thanks to all. I may try using the bumper and pulling backwards and if that doesn't work I think I'll let someone else do it.

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HCompton

12-18-2004 17:11:34

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 12:57:11

I helped pull a guy from under a 8N several years ago that had been pulling logs. He was lucky just several broke ribs and crushed pelvis bone. If I was going to use my 8n to pull stumps I would hook the chain to the tractor as low as I could , also hook chain high on stump.. gives more leverage.

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tonyoneandonly

12-18-2004 17:04:07

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 12:57:11

Paul
The general rule is that if a chain is hooked up
above the rear axle, the tractor can flip over,
and if the chain is hooked up below the rear axle
the tractor will not flip over. I have read that
you can demonstrate this with a toy tractor and
a string, I need to try this myself one day.

I have pulled stumps and logs and pulling from
the front will work. I like to pull from the draw bar. From the picture it looks like your
draw bar is missing. I like to put a clevis hitch on the draw bar to attach the chain. I always keep my foot over the clutch just in case
but my tractor has never even tryed to flip or
anything. Some stumps were not ready to be pulled so the rear tires just spun in place. Let us know what happens

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CATFIXER

12-18-2004 15:59:13

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 12:57:11

If you have alot of large stumps or even small ones rent or borrow the appropriate sized dozer for the job Dig around the stump with the blade then pull or better yet winch it out JMO BE SAFE

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hvw

12-18-2004 15:55:37

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 12:57:11

Otis is right. Don't pull stumps with an 8N.

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H.Otis

12-18-2004 15:36:56

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 12:57:11

Won't happen to you, right??!! I'm sure that a lot of good men said that before they got pinched under their tractor. Use the right tool fer the job. The N ain't it! (With Respect)

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Dean

12-18-2004 14:17:16

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 12:57:11

Ns are not made for stump pulling. But if you must, the lower and the farther the better, i.e., hook low and as far to the rear as possible. This principle, of course depends upon your objective, and pullers would find fault. For maximum tractive effort one should hook both high and close so as to maximixe weight transfer to the rear wheels. Safety considerations, however, would recommend hooking farther to the rear (asuming also low) so as to prevent dangerous wheelstands.

By the way, nice N from the little bit that I can see.

Dean

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Bruce (VA)

12-18-2004 14:01:27

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 12:57:11

Hook it to the front bumper & pull in reverse.

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SteveB(wi)

12-18-2004 13:50:57

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 12:57:11

Do you know what the raised nut on the left trumpet with the bolt and washer in it is for?
My "52 had one which I replaced with a regular nut. I wonder if it was something for the rear sickle bar mower as I had the mount for that also?

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Paul in MD

12-18-2004 13:57:10

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to SteveB(wi), 12-18-2004 13:50:57

I don't know. Someone will, if they see your question.

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old

12-18-2004 13:05:23

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 12:57:11

Best place is what you don't seem to have. Under the center of the rear end you should have a drawbar but it seems to be missing. I never hook any thing like that to the 3 point arms in any way. On my 801 I do hook to the back blade and at time I get the front tires off the ground but with the blade it can only go up till the balde hits the ground.

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Paul inMD

12-18-2004 13:54:28

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to old, 12-18-2004 13:05:23

I have a draw bar but the blade is on now. I was just curious about which was safer, the draw bar or the ring in the picture. Your idea of using the blade is a great idea. Can't flip with the blade on the back. Brilliant!

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formerjackman

12-18-2004 14:09:38

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul inMD, 12-18-2004 13:54:28

You can flip over with a blade on! Think about it. The only thing keeping the tractor from flipping over is the shear strength of the pin on the top link.

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Paul in MD

12-18-2004 14:24:16

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to formerjackman, 12-18-2004 14:09:38

good point. In fact, if the tractor flips on top of you with the blade underneath, it could be pretty messy.

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old

12-18-2004 16:01:07

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Paul in MD, 12-18-2004 14:24:16

I don't think an 8N or even my 801 has enough power to brake one of those pins. I've used my blade to do some very things. Pulling stumps, rocks, travel trailors,and all sorts of other things. I have broken a lift arm before but if that happens you loose pulling power fast for 2 reasons, blade hits ground and then tractor starts to spin becuuse of loose of weight

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Dean

12-18-2004 14:21:22

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to formerjackman, 12-18-2004 14:09:38

Trust me: You will not shear that-even if made in China! This does not mean that one cannot be injured if pulling from an attached back blade.

Dean

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formerjackman

12-18-2004 14:37:44

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to Dean, 12-18-2004 14:21:22

You could be right about the pins' strength, however, many folks just use a threaded rod or any old bolt instead of a heat treated steel pin. They are asking for trouble.

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steveormary

12-18-2004 16:41:48

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Re: Stump pulling in reply to formerjackman, 12-18-2004 14:37:44

Paul

You would want to hook the chain to the drawbar. The 8N should pull out saplings or very small trees. I would take a round block of wood,(cut from a tree trunk) about 12-14 in diameter and roll it next to the stump and under the chain. Wrap the chain as low as possible around the stump to be pulled. This way you pull up on the stump and they seem to come out easier.

Be carefull and like others have said,rent the proper equipment or hire it done if you have alot of stumps.

steveormary

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