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Uncle Mike

12-16-2004 11:06:28




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I"m not really clear if I have to re-polarize the battery after taking it out and charging
thanks for any help.
Mike




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ZANE

12-16-2004 13:49:08




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 Re: polarize positive ground in reply to Uncle Mike, 12-16-2004 11:06:28  
Usually there is no need to re-polarize the generator. Sometimes if it has been jumped off incorrectly it can change the polarity and if it should be necessary to re-polarize the generator use a jumper wire to momentarily touch the GEN and BATT terminals of the voltage regulator with the engine stopped and the battery installed Positive ground in the 6 volt N Ford tractor.

Be absolutely sure that you do not touch the FLD terminal while polarizing the generator to battery connections. Absolutely!

Zane

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Uncle Mike

12-16-2004 14:25:55




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 Re: polarize positive ground in reply to ZANE, 12-16-2004 13:49:08  
Zane

Thanks so much as I am fairly new to this. Popped the battery back in after charging and
it cranked right up like normal. I think I"ll
replace the gen. brushes [amp meter shows no charge]
u.mike



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ZANE

12-16-2004 17:34:55




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 Re: polarize positive ground in reply to Uncle Mike, 12-16-2004 14:25:55  
You should determine if the generator is charging before you "fix" it!

TESTING THE TWO BRUSH GENERATOR CIRCUITS.

First you should carefully inspect and trace all the wires in the charging system to determine if they are intact and going from and to their prospective places.
With an Ohm meter you should determine the continuity of each individual wire by disconnecting each wire individually one at a time at both ends and testing for no open breaks in that particular wire. Then go on to test the remaining wires. Most notably the Gen wire, the field wire and the battery wires. Be sure that the wire that comes up from the starter solenoid from the hot battery cable goes first through the ammeter and then to the junction block and on to the voltage regulator Battery terminal.

If the wires are not connected as they are supposed to be to the right terminals or are broken there can be no movement of current to and from the battery and the generator/regulator circuits.

Generators normally have two terminals. F or field is the ground or "regulated ground" terminal, and A or armature is the Hot or "regulated charging" terminal.
1. measure battery voltage, engine off.
2. start tractor and measure battery voltage, should be higher
3. if you don’t see a big increase in voltage then determine if problem is regulator or generator---to do this--
4. take both wires off the generator.
5. ground the F terminal to the tractor frame.
6.start tractor and measure the voltage at A terminal. if it is 20-30 volts the generator is good. if you have 5 volts, the generator is bad.
7. if generator output is good, run the A terminal wire to the amp meter, then to the battery lug. start tractor and see the voltage is 1 volt above battery and ampmeter show good charge. (just run 1-2 minutes.)
8. this proves regulator is bad if generator is charging without the regulator

Troubleshooting The 2 brush Generator
The 2 brush generator and the voltage regualtor are troubleshot as a system.
Low or no generator output
Short the Armature terminal to the Bat terminal of the voltage regulator. (Do not touch the field terminal )Does output now come up to normal? If so, the VR is probably defective. If not, connect a jumper on the generator field terminal to ground. Does the generator now produce normal output? If yes, the VR is probably defective. If not go on to the next test.
Generator Motor Test.
Do not run engine for this test. Disconnect the wires from the generator. Disconnect the fan belt. Apply a jumper wire from the field terminal of the generator to ground. Apply a jumper wire from the battery negative to the armature terminal of the generator. Does the generator turn? If not the generator is probably defective. The generator should rotate in the direction of rotation same as the engine.

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Uncle Mike

12-17-2004 12:34:38




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 Re: polarize positive ground in reply to ZANE, 12-16-2004 17:34:55  
Zane

Thanks for all the great advise!!!!
We"ll do.
Happy Holidays to you and yours

Uncle Mike



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Bob

12-16-2004 11:44:00




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 Re: polarize positive ground in reply to Uncle Mike, 12-16-2004 11:06:28  
Typically, polarizing refers to jumpering a shot of battery voltage into a DC generator before startup of the engine to restore residual magnetism, of the correct polarity, into the generator field polepieces so that, upon engine startup the generator will begin to charge with the correct polarity to match that of the battery.

If the tractor has been run recently, and the generator was working, AND you are sure the battery is charged correctly, AND you have installed the battery with the same ground polarity as before, you do NOT need to polarize the generator.

However, if the tractor has sat unused for a long time, or if the generator has been apart, or if you are not sure of how the battery was connected before, and you are now reinstalling the battery with the CORRECT POLARITY, you need to polarize the generator.

You don't mention the exact machine you're working with, so I have given a pretty general answer. Also, if it is a newer machine, or has been updated to an alternator, the battery MUST be connected with the polarity the alternator was designed for. (USUALLY NEGATIVE GROUND, BUT THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS.) And you NEVER attempt to polarize an alternator.

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Uncle Mike

12-16-2004 11:56:17




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 Re: polarize positive ground in reply to Bob, 12-16-2004 11:44:00  
Bob
Thanks,
Sorry not to include that its a 8n model with all original equiptment[ 6volt]



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