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MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter

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Chuck, WA

11-26-2002 07:21:30




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My MF35 Perkins diesel has the spin-on oil filter adapter. I can drive 40 miles to the nearest MF dealer for an MF branded filter, or I can try to find an alternative at a local WalMart or Napa store. Anybody know the number of a Fram or other common spin-on filter that will work?

Thanks!




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amond

01-25-2003 20:43:13




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 Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Chuck, WA, 11-26-2002 07:21:30  
Wix filter #51460....



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amond

01-25-2003 20:18:04




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 Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Chuck, WA, 11-26-2002 07:21:30  
Wix filter #51460....



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H.T.Hertz

11-27-2002 10:31:54




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 Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Chuck, WA, 11-26-2002 07:21:30  
I've been using Crosland or Motorcraft filters, whichever on hand, for all my vehicles since '72, and I never had any mishaps on that behalf - my fergies still going strong working in the woods every winter.

Henning



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Tom

11-26-2002 19:21:30




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 Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Chuck, WA, 11-26-2002 07:21:30  
I put a spin on filter on my MF 165 Diesel this spring and used the same filter I do on my car a Motocraft 2005 made to fit the Ford Zetec engine. its skinny and long

Tom



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Scott from Pa.

11-26-2002 15:09:20




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 Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Chuck, WA, 11-26-2002 07:21:30  
Hey Chuck, As Jack mentioned both the AC and Fram filters will fit your tractor. Both have 3/4 inch by 16 pitch threads. However the Fram filter will be equiped with a 30 lb p.s.i. bypass valve and the A/C filter will have a 8lb p.s.i. bypass valve. Just to let you know..... ..... Scott



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Chuck, WA

11-26-2002 15:49:41




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 Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Scott from Pa., 11-26-2002 15:09:20  
Uhhhhh ....yeah....right!

What's that mean? :)

Which do I use and why?

Thanks!



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Tom

11-26-2002 20:49:19




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 Re: Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Chuck, WA, 11-26-2002 15:49:41  
It means that you need to get real MF manuals from your dealer. Operator Manual, Repair Manual, and Parts Manual. The Repair Manual will probably state the by-pass lbs. Don't risk your tractor engine.



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Hawk

11-27-2002 16:48:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Tom, 11-26-2002 20:49:19  
You and Scott brought on my curiosity, so I checked my service manual and it specs a filter with 8-12 psi bypass. This is for an AD3-152.
Thanks guys, you learn something new every day.



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Chuck, WA

12-02-2002 07:56:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Hawk, 11-27-2002 16:48:49  
Hawk...Thanks! That pretty well settles it. Yup...something new every day!



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Chuck, WA

11-27-2002 06:09:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Tom, 11-26-2002 20:49:19  
Tom...Right! I have the op manual, and am planning on buying the others in prep for overhauling the hydraulics this winter.

However, I was hoping for a bit more information on what this bypass stuff is all about. I'm no mechanic, but have been working on my own cars for somewhere around 40 years and never heard of it. Does that mean it's not important for cars - but is for tractors - when two supposedly interchangeable filters are so different?

Any additional info would be appreciated.

Big Dean...y'all out there? Comment?

Thanks!

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Jack in NB

11-27-2002 07:33:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Chuck, WA, 11-27-2002 06:09:29  
Lots of good comments on filters in this thread!

The bypass pressure is the pressure that oil will run by, not through, the filter when it builds up too much resistance - usually from crud.

This normally doesn't happen if they're changed regularly.

Test: put your hand on the filter after the engine warms up. If the filter is warm, the oil is flowing through it.

There is a difference in filters. There was a website (no longer around) which compared different makes of filters for (I think) a chev. The filtering paper area was the biggest difference - Fram had about half the area that OEM or Wix had. I'm guessing Fram threatened the owner of the site with legal action.

So they sell cheaper!

We've been running the 35's, 135's, 65, 165, 30 and 40 industrial (10 units total) for 25 years now - probably 20,000 hours total on them, with off-the-shelf filters, changed regularly. (every 100 hours.) No problems evident.

The inherent reliabliity of the Perkins engine, regular oil/filter changes, keep the fuel clean - a good recipe for success!

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Chuck, WA

11-27-2002 09:23:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Jack in NB, 11-27-2002 07:33:17  
Jack...Thanks...that's the kind of info I was hoping for. As I said before, I can be convinced if there's a real reason to go with a more expensive brand, but being pretty tight by nature, I'm not inclined to spend more than I need to unless there's a reason. You make a good case. It would be interesting to see such a comparison.

So, now I understand bypass pressure. Seems to me that higher bypass pressure is better, or am I missing something? Lower would imply that oil will bypass with a less serious clog making the filter basically useless. Higher implies that the filter stays in the picture longer. Taking it to extremes, no filter has zero bypass pressure, so flows regardless! :)

Obviously, if you maintain the equipment on a regular basis, it's not an issue.

I have a feeling that it's one of those questions that doesn't have a good answer other than that those who are diligent about maintaining on a regular schedule probably don't run into trouble with either filter, and those who don't have trouble regardless of which they use, only sooner if they use an inferior filter.

Thanks again for the reply.

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Tom

11-28-2002 06:59:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Chuck, WA, 11-27-2002 09:23:25  
Chuck,
Higher pressure by-pass might not always be better. It puts back pressure on your oil pump. If the by-pass is too high for the rating on the oil pump, then the excess back pressure could result in 2 bad things. 1. Cause oil pump failure. 2. Starve the engine of oil flow. The by-pass pressure specification on the filter is set by the engineer who designed the oil pump and the engine oiling system. I would not 2nd guess the Perkins mechanical engineer; to do so is to risk your engine. You could save a nickel and spend a dollar, which being too tight usually results in.

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Jack in NB

11-26-2002 07:36:46




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 Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Chuck, WA, 11-26-2002 07:21:30  
Hi Chuck -

The VW gas spin-on is 1/2"shorter and 1/4 the MF price.

PH 2870A, AC PF 56, Wix 51318.



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Randy

11-26-2002 18:21:01




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 Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Jack in NB, 11-26-2002 07:36:46  
Jack: My MF35 with Continental gas motor has a spin on oil filter adapter. Would you know what Fram,AC, or Purolator filter would replace the MF filter? Thanks!



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Chuck, WA

11-26-2002 09:22:55




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 Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Jack in NB, 11-26-2002 07:36:46  
Jack...Thanks! Due for an oil change soon, so will drop by WalMart and pick one up. Generally go with Fram, so will try that one.



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jim

11-26-2002 16:06:53




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 Re: Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Chuck, WA, 11-26-2002 09:22:55  
I know it's the wrong colour , but my old Ford dealer used to cut a Ford filter down in half and a cheaper filter right beside it. You'd be amazed at the difference in quality. Just make sure you're comparing apples to apples because in the long run , the difference in price versus the filtering action isn't worth it if you run into problems. I'm on my 91st. oil and filter change and haven't wrenched this tractor yet.

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Chuck, WA

11-27-2002 06:23:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to jim, 11-26-2002 16:06:53  
Jim...yeah, I hear what you're saying. However, I guess I'm a bit jaded by modern deception in advertising. I no longer arbitrarily equate the name of much of anything with quality. I bought a Seiko watch a few years ago and it was a piece of junk! Further, there is something in volume manufacturing - ie, how many oil filters does MF sell for a MF35 Perkins diesel, compared to how many Fram filters for a Volkswagen? That's an overstatement, but makes the point. If a manufacturer can't provide equal quality at a lower price for something that he sells ten times as many of, then the system is broken - or ripping us off!

I used almost exclusively Fram filters on my 1986 Chevy Suburban 6.2 diesel for years. It had just under 250,000 miles on it when some dimwit woman plowed into me on an icy bridge and totaled it. But at that point, it was running strong and never had the engine opened.

Sorry for the rant...guess when it comes to "name brands" I'm a skeptic. It's not just the fact that the MF branded filter (AGCO) is two to three times more expensive, and the 80 mile round-trip to the dealership to get one (I know, I should keep several on hand to spread that cost out), but just the principle. I can be convinced, but it takes some proof.

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Phil in MS

11-27-2002 07:18:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Chuck, WA, 11-27-2002 06:23:59  
Chuck,

I have used NAPA filters sometimes on my MF 255D. Never tried to find one in WalMart.

Someone mentioned Big Dean earlier and I recall a post about two weeks ago that he was going to the west coast until after Thanksgiving so you may not hear anything from him until after the holidays.

Phil in MS.



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Chuck, WA

11-27-2002 09:12:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Phil in MS, 11-27-2002 07:18:42  
Phil...Yes, I also use NAPA, but generally get my car filters at WalMart since they carry Fram and often go on sale - and it's right on the way home from work, so real convenient.

You're right...I recall now Big Dean saying he'd be gone.

Thanks!



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Scott from Pa.

11-28-2002 06:05:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Chuck, WA, 11-27-2002 09:12:26  
Hey Chuck, Scott here again. I did not mean to open a can of worms with your filter question but I sell H/D truck parts for a living and I do agree with what alot of these folks are saying in reference to filters. The most important thing to remember is to change your oil on a regular basis. I sell Baldwin filters for my business and, yes, I did cut away a Baldwin,Fram,Wix, and Hasting filters just to see how they are 'put together'. It would amaze you what I found out. But then I remember when you could filter oil with a roll of toilet paper in a cannister. My how we have advanced. Any way to make a long story short I would stick to what ever the manual says about bypass pressure and stick with the filter that matches that number. If by chance you have a Baldwin filter dealer closer than that of your MF dealer the Baldwin number for your application with a 8 lb bypass is a B-243. If you have any other questions about filter applications give me a holler because I have the Baldwin Xreference and application catalog in my computer. I will help you any way I can...Have a good Turkey day.Scott

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Chuck, WA

12-02-2002 07:58:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MF35 Perkins diesel, spin-on oil filter in reply to Scott from Pa., 11-28-2002 06:05:13  
Scott...Thanks! I think this thread is about wrapped up. Looks like a lot of good advice. I will look around for a closer source of the right filter.



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