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Should I tear it back apart?

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RobMD

12-31-2007 18:06:03




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The pto Hydraulic pump on my '43 "B" is now leaking after a fresh rebuild. I did lap the outer cover, the middle ring, and the diff casting with a file and meticulous deburring.

Should I have put an itty-bitty bit of shellac on the mount surfaces? Silicone? Tightening the bolts down doesn't help any, how tight are these even supposed to be?

I'm wondering if I could have the parts surface milled, but then that would mean i'd have to mill the gears down the same bit to fit. Not a good idea, i suppose

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john48jdb

01-01-2008 05:14:19




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 Re: Should I tear it back apart? in reply to RobMD, 12-31-2007 18:06:03  
i had a friend who does know a thing about machines to ask me to go look at an engine with him at a shop. it seems he had a different shop do something that required them to remove the oil pan. they were across the street from an auto parts place, but rather than put a gasket on they chose to use rtv. the engine went 10 or 12 miles and locked up. he had it towed to another shop and they removed the oil pan. there was streams of rtv running down inside of the oil pan at 15 or 20 places inside the oil pan. needless to say the screen going to the oil pump was stopped up. rtv has its place and if used correctly should be ok. i prefer to use the black rtv where ir is going to be touched by oil, but just use it along with a gasket. coat both side of the gasket with it and you should be fine.

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F-I-T

12-31-2007 18:32:46




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 Re: Should I tear it back apart? in reply to RobMD, 12-31-2007 18:06:03  
Rob:

I don't use silicone, because it doesn't stick to metal. You can peel RTV off after it cures, so that should tell you that eventually oil will creep under it. It can send strings of residual RTV floating everywhere, and it can cause major pump problems down the road. It really likes oil pump screens.

Also, lapping with a file is not what I would call lapping. A flat steel plate, some Clover SC sompund in the realm of 1200 grit or higher and you'll have surfaces that will wring together with a half a drop of oil and you will have difficulty getting them to part. If the surfaces were not flat enough for that, then they are not flat. Even a piece of plate glass and a sheet of 600, then 1000 SC paper will do for a lap in a pinch.

Try some shellac. It's been around for 7 decades or more and they still it. Must be a reason.

HTH

Frank

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Daniel Mullis

12-31-2007 18:16:15




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 Re: Should I tear it back apart? in reply to RobMD, 12-31-2007 18:06:03  
I had the same problem on my G. The Pump leaked after I went threw it all,I took just the pump back off the tractor and put a thin layer of silicone around the pump housing and put it back together,stopped the leak!!!



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