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Really need some help with the JD A gov.

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1 Dollar

01-04-2007 13:22:32




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I had the '37 A out again today and still had the same issues with the governor. It acts like a manual car with no governor with the gas/clutch procedure. It looks like to me throtthe linkages are too long and the governor isn't getting a chance to slow the engine down because it is loose the whole time the engine runs. Pictures say it better so I am putting a link to yahoo photos for some pictures. If anybody wants to see a different picture let me know because I want to fix this.

All I know is that I haven't touched anything but the linkages during that painting process so I don't know why it decides not to work now but worked perfectely a year ago.

Thanks for any help

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Ken Thies

01-05-2007 21:29:08




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 Re: Really need some help with the JD A gov. in reply to 1 Dollar, 01-04-2007 13:22:32  
The wording with picture #2 says throttle open. Wrong. It is in the closed position.
For full throttle on a JD you push the handle full forward. This pulls the gov. spring back towords the operator.
Ken



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1 Dollar

01-06-2007 21:20:04




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 Re: Really need some help with the JD A gov. in reply to Ken Thies, 01-05-2007 21:29:08  
That was exactly the problem. Completely closed was 400 RPM and right there was 1200+ RPM due to a governor that wasn't getting a chance to do anything. Sorry if I confused you. Thanks for the reply.



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F-I-T

01-04-2007 14:47:40




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 Re: Really need some help with the JD A gov. in reply to 1 Dollar, 01-04-2007 13:22:32  
$1:

I cannot get your link to governor pictures to open. I can back into all of the paint job photos, but those do not show any detail. See if you can get detailed photos posted up.

In the meantime, go back and tell us EXACTLY what you removed from the point of the tractor running right and how you re-installed it up to now. By this I mean, did the tractor run fine with the big nut ccarburetor, then you removed the rod from the throttle pedestal to the governor spring, and then the rod from the governor ARM to the carburetor butterfly. You didn't try to install a choke rod or another rod that was laying around the shop did you?

On the governor, please confirm that when you do the half hole test that:

- The throttle is in wide open position
- The carburetor butterfly is in the WIDE OPEN position, not against the idle spring. You have to hold it open with your left hand
- The governor arm to butterfly rod is 1/2 to 1 hole SHORT.
- When running, throttle in aft position, move the carburetor butterfly from idle to mid range while holding to the governor rod with your right hand. As the engine picks up speed, the rod should push forward in your hand (if I'm remembering my A's right...) as if it would close the carburetor butterfly if it was connected. Confirm all of this step by step.

I ask you to confirm that because there have been cases where someone has the throttle back or the carb butterfly closed and then the measurement for the rod is wrong. Confirm that the throttle lever rod goes to the leaf spring on the governor arm, not the arm, and that the governor to carburetor rod is going from the governor arm to the carb, not the governor leaf spring to the carb (though I'm not sure you even get it to fit like that).....

Frank

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1 Dollar

01-04-2007 18:06:59




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 Re: Really need some help with the JD A gov. in reply to F-I-T, 01-04-2007 14:47:40  
I did a partial disassembly of the tractor for the painting which included the removing the carb, throttle lever, and the two linkage rods in the system. I took them apart but I have put them both back in a middle position to start with. That carb was on there before disassembly and it ran fine. I turned the engine over a few times a month while it was dissambeled. This is the only tractor I have so a switch isn't possible. I did the half hole test just like described and while it was running I tried playing with the butterfly and the governor didn't do anything. Do you know why it would just stop working after being fine.

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1dollar

01-04-2007 18:10:16




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 Re: Really need some help with the JD A gov. in reply to 1 Dollar, 01-04-2007 18:06:59  
Link

Pictures



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F-I-T

01-05-2007 08:55:20




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 Re: Really need some help with the JD A gov. in reply to 1dollar, 01-04-2007 18:10:16  
Ok. One more time. Your picture links don't work. They might work when you try them, but that might be because you have the image in your cache. Why don't you just post them here in this message?

Next, I know of no reason for a governor to stop working because of a paint job. I'll put this in caps because I think you might be missing one or more points:

ON THE HALF HOLE TEST, THE THROTTLE LEVER MUST BE FULLY FORWARD. THIS PULLS BACK ON THE GOVERNOR LEAF SPRING WHICH PULLS ON THE GOVERNOR SHAFT, WHICH ROTATES THE GOVERNOR ARM, WHICH PULLS THE ROD, WHICH OPENS THE BUTTERFLY. BE SURE THE THROTTLE LEVER IS FULL FORWARD AND THE BUTTERFLY IS HELD FULL OPEN WITH YOUR LEFT HAND WHEN YOU PERFORM THE HALF-HOLE TEST.

ALSO, when you hold the governor rod in your right hand, and speed up the engine by opening the butterfly with your left hand, you should push that rod toward the governor to remove any play. THEN the governor should push back.

It still sounds to me like one or both rods are too long. This will position the governor weights and ears away from the sliding sleeve and it will be as though you have no governor action at all because there is no spring preload.

Remember:

Throttle FORWARD
Butterfly WIDE OPEN
Governor to carb rod 1/2 HOLE SHORT FROM CONNECTING

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1 Dollar

01-05-2007 20:23:55




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 Re: Really need some help with the JD A gov. in reply to F-I-T, 01-05-2007 08:55:20  
That part about the pushing back to remove play I have not read before. That must be it.(it HAS to be) I have been thinking about this as well and was starting to come to the conclusion that a rod was too long somewhere. I stared at the governor diagram for about 15 minutes tring to figure out what was wrong. I will try that tomorrow.

Also I found out that I don't know how to use the new Yahoo photos page and I had this link as private. It should work now.

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