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early styled john deere A and B electric start

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rmiller

12-30-2004 21:29:06




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I read that these can be hand started using the steering wheel and a special adapter.What is this special adapter and how does it work?Are these adapters available?Are there other ways to hand start them?Do these motors have a compression release?Thank You.




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WeirdDeere

12-31-2004 23:36:02




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 Re: early styled john deere A and B electric start in reply to rmiller, 12-30-2004 21:29:06  
Here are some photos of our 1946 B and the hand start setup. It's not too bad, I've done it quite a few times. Having a steering wheel dedicated for this is probably alot better than taking it off the tractor! Opening the petcocks is definitely necessary!



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Clooney

12-31-2004 05:44:57




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 Re: early styled john deere A and B electric start in reply to rmiller, 12-30-2004 21:29:06  
rmiller, the early tractors used the AA3032R Shaft Cranking,, the later tractors used the AB 3580R Shaft Cranking/ With Key.. There was also some variants on that basic cranking shaft that were longer in length to allow hand starting with mounted equipment.

Basically they work better if you have an old or extra steering wheel laying around or they would require removing your tractor's steering wheel..

They were just a short stud shaft with a machined shaft & key on one end that fit the removed steering wheel & machined angled slots on the other end that would fit the L/H end of the crankshaft or a flywheel adapter..

I remember using those when I was younger & chasing that steering wheel out across the barnyard as the tractor would fire & grab that steering wheel & spin it out like a rolling tire that fell off a car..

I have a picture here somewhere but can’t seem to locate it at the moment [will post it later if I find it]

As far as compression releases, some of the later tractors have cylinder drain plugs up under the bottom on the cylinders & those plugs can be removed & petcocks installed in their place.

You ask.. Quote: --“ Are there other ways to hand start them?”
--Sure, you have the option of pull starting them with a truck or other tractor, jumping them from a vehicle with a suitable voltage battery, using a battery charger on the dead battery, or a favorite of mine & that is parking the tractor on a steep hill then roll starting it when you want to use it.. Then there is always the fun option of using a flat belt & another tractor.. [lots of options]..

As far as being available, yes, you can find them in the junk piles at a lot of local tractor shows, there are a few places that are making repos for sale, they come up from time to time on Ebay, & I’ll bet if you posted a wanted in the want adds here someone would respond.. Just be sure give the specifics on your tractor year & type.

Clooney

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Sam#3

12-31-2004 05:18:08




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 Re: early styled john deere A and B electric start in reply to rmiller, 12-30-2004 21:29:06  
My Dad had an 'H' with a complete set of manuals. The operators manual had a procedure for using the steering wheel to crank the engine in case of battery failure. On the flywheel of the electric starts there is a hub and fitting to adapt the steering wheel to the hub. I have never seen the procedure used and I imagine it was more time consuming then jumping, pulling or repairing the trouble.



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rmiller

12-31-2004 07:05:25




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 Re: early styled john deere A and B electric start in reply to Sam#3, 12-31-2004 05:18:08  
I know the hand start versions had petcocks to relieve compression so they would turn over easier.I just wondered if the early electric start versions had this feature also so that you could start them by hand.I will have to look around for an adapter for the steering wheel.I know on the 47's and later when electric start was designed into instead of on to the tractor,the petcocks were gone.



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Clooney

12-31-2004 08:09:15




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 Re: early styled john deere A and B electric start in reply to rmiller, 12-31-2004 07:05:25  
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rmiller, here is a pic of a late "B" block with those bottom drain plugs replaced with petcocks.

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rmiller

12-31-2004 16:38:22




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 Re: early styled john deere A and B electric start in reply to Clooney , 12-31-2004 08:09:15  
Thank you all for your help it is appreciated.I wanted a hand start a or b but I am getting older and my arms and shoulders are not what they used to be so i wanted something that would give me the option.My first tractor is a late b which I just bought, the motor was supposedly rebuilt.It runs good but after about an hour it smokes a little from the belt pulley area.Is this normal?Hope everyone has a Happy New year.

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Clooney

12-31-2004 20:31:50




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 Re: early styled john deere A and B electric start in reply to rmiller, 12-31-2004 16:38:22  
rmiller, you ask..

Quote:--"the motor was supposedly rebuilt. It runs good but after about an hour it smokes a little from the belt pulley area. Is this normal?"
--It is normal for a "B" that has some wear & use on it.. That is caused from combustion blow-by.. Probably due to cylinders that are not completely round & excess piston ring side clearance. As long as it runs good & doesn’t burn too much oil it won’t hurt anything.. You might make sure your crankcase is venting correctly..

Clooney

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