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rob g

11-19-2004 15:10:10




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All,

I realize the PC police will probably jump my frame about this but has anyone tried Splitfire plugs in a styled G or any other 2-cyl? I have been running a set of SF-4E plugs (I think that is the P/N) lately, gappes at about 0.060" and it runs very well with them. Has anyone else had experience with Splitfire?

Second, has anyone tried to devise a prechamber for a G? I assume that some of the aftermarket cylinder heads located the plugs in the center of the combustion chamber, but I suppose it would be possible given the production location. I keep hearing that a G really can't keep up in Div. 4 or 5...just can't tweak them any tighter. I wonder if that is because the flamefront propagation velocity for deflagration (normal) waves precludes serious improvements in higher RPM performance? I've wondered about that and just thought I'd throw it out there for discussion. A 70, 720 and 730 G would also benefit.

Take care,
Rob

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John T

11-20-2004 07:18:03




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 Re: spark plugs for G in reply to rob g, 11-19-2004 15:10:10  
Mornin Rob, Ive never used Splitfire plugs, especially not on any Deeres, but I wonder if or how they can improve detonation. When the voltage rises sufficient to arc jump one of its gaps (regardless if 1, 2 or 4 etc), its gonna take the path of least resistance, so I dont see what use the extra gaps could help. I guess it helps cuz that means that particular gap is least resistive and being so it reduces wasted energy and it will jump to whichever has the least resistance each time. Can you get them the correct thread size or do you have to use one of those plug thread adapters??? And are you able to match the heat ranges?? I guess my bottom line is they wont hurt anything, but unless I saw some actual dyno readings (Splitfire versus conventional plugs) I would remain somewhat skeptical.

To run that 0.060 gap you mentioned, are you running an electronic ignition and a heavy duty high voltage coil????? With a stock ignition thats an awful wide gap. Widening a plug gap is no sure fire cure for any problems as it requires the coil to rise up to a higher voltage but then the arcing current (or spark duration) is less since the only energy that can be expended across the plug gap is that which was stored in the coil when it was conducting, and its expended as Volts x Amps x Time across the gap, so increasing one causes a decrease in the others. i.e. if the voltage rises, the arcing current or spark duration must necessarily reduce. Its the sudden release of heat energy that ignites the fuel, not the fact of higher voltage, and that BLUE versus a wimpy yellow spark is what one is looking for across the plug gap. As compression is increased it takes a higher voltage to arc a plugs gap, and thats one of the reasons high energy ignitions are required in very high compression pulling tractors, cuz the typical stock 10 or 20KV ignition doest have enough punch to rise higher to arc the plug gap.

Good question, sorry I have no comments on the use of pre fire.

Take care n God Bless

John T

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rob g

11-20-2004 20:28:16




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 Re: spark plugs for G in reply to John T, 11-20-2004 07:18:03  
John,

Thank you for the reply. The Splitfire plugs I use are 18mm thread so it's direct fit. I tried Bosch platinum +4 plugs with the adapter...did not do well at all. Fouled pretty quickly; probably a poor heat range choice as I was kinda shooting in the dark. I don't know the Splitfires do much against detonation; I doubt it; the G combustion chamber is just too big. I am just trying to get a little bigger flame kernel through their use. Relative to your questions on electronic ignition;hot coil; yes, I use the Petronix ignition and a 55 KV coil with the engine timed at about 19deg BTC. I'm running the 6.5 nominal CR pistons with the 551 head so while the compression's definitely higher than stock, it isn't up with the big boys (no desire for that; just want a good plowing tractor with a little extra kick). It does sound like I probably should cut the gap back to perhaps 0.040 to help out on the duration a little bit. Insofar as heat range, I think the Splitfires I use are probably comparable to a D23 or 386; at least by simple visual comparison. If I ever get near a dyno with the tractor, I will do a comparison test with a 386 and see who comes out on top.

I wasn't sure if anyone had thought of the prechamber but if I had the $$ and knowledge wrapped in a G like the Div. 4 or 5 guys do, I would probably look into it.

Any additional thoughts/recommendations on my mechanical fumblings would be most appreciated.

John, thanks again and have a safe and blessed holiday.

Regards,
Rob

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