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1020gas

10-14-2004 10:14:27




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I have a lot of trouble with dieseling on my 1020 gas tractor,I've tried all the fixes from info on this site but still it's a problem. The carb on it now is a Zenith
I'm considering getting a Marvel Schebler.These are the ones I've heard will fit my tractor TSX894,TSX904,TSX905,TSXU963
Does anyone have any info on these or other models that might work also does the TSX894 have a shutoff solenoid
Thanks

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Mike M

10-16-2004 06:09:33




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 Re: carburetor in reply to 1020gas, 10-14-2004 10:14:27  
I had a 440 gas crawler and the only way I could get it to stop dieseling was to back out the idle stop screw on the throttle shaft. What this does is to shut off the air/fuel mixture when you pull all the way back on the throttle lever. Acts very much like a fuel shut off solenoid.You may want to try this if or until you can find a solenoid to fit yours.



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Gerald J.

10-15-2004 07:27:59




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 Re: carburetor in reply to 1020gas, 10-14-2004 10:14:27  
Digging into my book of vintage service bulletins I find two in the index, but I don't have them.

T66-4 page 8 is titled Carburetor Solenoid Shutoff for 1020 and 2020.

T66-1 page 1 is titled Stopping Engines with Electric Shutoff for 1020 and 2020.

Only JD parts can tell if they have a shut off solenoid to fit your zenith carburetor.

I drove a VW beetle 110,000 miles. It had problems shutting down, until I moved the oil cooler out of the fan shroud. It also ate an exhaust valve regularly because something in a keeper kept it from rotating and no one who fixed it replaced keepers. One mechanic said I should drive it harder to burn out the carbon that he found around the intake valve stems. But other than driving it longer each commute I couldn't drive it harder than full throttle through the gears. Then he suggested Marvel Mystery Oil. That just added a little blue tinge to the exhaust. What I worked out was a cooling regimen at each end of each commute. I ran it 6 or 8 blocks lightly loaded in 2nd gear at engine redline speed and the increased air and oil circulation cooled it down enough to not diesel. Cooling won't be as dramatic on a water cooled engine but idling at maybe 1000 RPM for a few minutes before throttling down to as slow as it will run before shutting down may reduce dieseling.

Gerald J.

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Joe P.

10-14-2004 12:15:41




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 Re: carburetor in reply to 1020gas, 10-14-2004 10:14:27  
Everything I hear is that the Zeniths are better carbs & you'd be going backwards replacing it with a MS. Dieseling, while it is perpetuated by gas getting to the combustion chamber, is really indicative of another problem: too low octane fuel or too high compression, carbon deposits in the combustion chamber, exhaust valve not sealing completely.



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Gerald J.

10-14-2004 10:43:47




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 Re: carburetor in reply to 1020gas, 10-14-2004 10:14:27  
Are you sure that JD hasn't a shut off solenoid to fit your carburetor? They did for many Zenith and MS carburetors. The shut off solenoid goes in place of the high speed jet adjust screw.

Gerald J.



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1020gas

10-14-2004 11:18:48




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 Re: carburetor in reply to Gerald J., 10-14-2004 10:43:47  
The original carb was a TSX904 and it had a shutoff solenoid. The Zenith replacement on it now doesn"t have one. Do they make a shutoff solenoid for the Zenith? That sure would fix the problem



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Gerald J.

10-14-2004 14:52:15




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 Re: carburetor in reply to 1020gas, 10-14-2004 11:18:48  
My neighbor's 2020 has a shut off solenoid, though I don't know which carburetor it has, I KNOW my 4020 with Zenith has a shut off. Surely the same one fits the smaller Zenith for 1020 or there's a proper one for it. I might have time overnight to check the service bulletins I have for a 1969 vintage JD part number.

Have you recently changed from generator to alternator?

Gerald J.



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1020gas

10-15-2004 08:08:27




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 Re: carburetor in reply to Gerald J., 10-14-2004 14:52:15  
Thanks for all the info and suggestions.
I haven"t recently changed from generator to altenator. I think the 1020 came with altenators.
It would be great if I could find a shutoff for the Zenith. Another problem is high gas usage could this be part of the dieseling problem.
I say high gas usage but I"m not really sure what is normal on the 1020



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Gerald J.

10-15-2004 09:58:01




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 Re: High fuel consumption in reply to 1020gas, 10-15-2004 08:08:27  
These are the things that I found on my 4020 that lead to high fuel consumption:

1. Carbon plug wires. I replaced them with copper wires with the ends soldered.

2. Worn out float needle and seat. The worst offender.

3. Donaldson precleaner top domed down, not up. Acts like a choke.

4. Dirty air filter.

5. Choke wire sheath not anchored near the carburetor, kept it from opening the choke all the way.

6. Ignition timing retarded 20 degrees from specification.

7. Junk in the intake manifold.

8. Champion plugs with too cold a heat range.

9. While I didn't have a problem with it, a leaky float can also cause excess fuel consumption as well as a fuel pump with a sticky pressure release mechanism. This year my fuel pump stopped pumping so I "ran out of gas" with the tank 1/3 full. An electric pump now does the work much better.

I fixed all those up and cut my 4020 fuel consumption from 400 gallons a year to 250 doing the same work. It stopped smoking like an IH diesel with a larger black cloud when opening the throttle after it had been idling.

I wanted to talk the to gas engine expert at the local JD shop but he said, "I have techniques but if you haven't replaced float needle and seat, I won't talk to you." I had float needle and seat in a sack in my hand, and I've not been back. I have it leaned enough it takes choking to start, even when warm. I think that's lean enough.

Its important that the centrifugal advance works or the engine performance and fuel consumption will suffer. It would be great if there was a part throttle advance mechanism like a proper vacuum port in the carburetor and a vacuum advance on the distributor, but very few tractors ever had that.

You can get an idea of proper fuel consumption by looking up the Nebraska tractor tests, perhaps in the book about them by Lester Larson. They give fuel consumption in horse power - hour / gallon. Most tractors do better than my 4020 gas at 7.96.

Gerald J.

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