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4230 perplexing starting problem

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Rob

03-03-2004 14:46:06




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We have a 1976 4230. The tractor looks brand new and runs great...once you get it started. It has been slow to start ever since we bought it several years ago, but it is getting worse. It used to only be hard to start during cold weather. Now it is hard to get it running without giving it a shot of ether even when it is warm.

It almost seems like the starter doesn't spin the engine fast enough or something. I recently replaced the batteries which did no good, so I had the starter rebuilt thinking it was the problem, but that did no good either.

One of my neighbors who was a JD mechanic back in the 70s and 80s told me the Delco Remy starter on my tractor is the problem, and said I should chunk it on the junk pile and get a John Deere (Nippon mfg.) to replace it.

Another farmer I talked to said he had a 4040 that did the same thing after it was overhauled because the new head gasket was thicker and reduced compression. He said he had several thousandths milled off of the head and it solved the problem.

My tractor is equipped with the M&W turbo kit, and has about 2500 hours on a dealer overhaul.

We also have a 4440 and have never had ANY problem with it starting, she fires up every time you hit the key even when it is below freezing.

Anyone got any ideas?

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buickanddeere

03-05-2004 13:38:54




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 Re: 4230 perplexing starting problem in reply to Rob, 03-03-2004 14:46:06  
What is the voltage measured between the cast body of the starter housing? To the large copper post on the starter that only has voltage when cranking? If less than 10.0V there is a supply problem or a failing starter drawing way too much current.



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Mike w J

03-04-2004 07:14:49




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 Re: 4230 perplexing starting problem in reply to Rob, 03-03-2004 14:46:06  
We have had this trouble on a 4620 and a 4000 with new batteries but when we changed battery brands the problem was over we had first used cenex batteries they were always wet threw them away and put in JD they stay dry and crank faster I now have a set in my 4000 that is 7 years old and still work good . What kind of batteries do you have in it?



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JMS/MN

03-03-2004 21:29:14




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 Re: 4230 perplexing starting problem in reply to Rob, 03-03-2004 14:46:06  
Similar problem on my 4240. Got rid of replacement battery clamps (those temporary fixes that were left on), and replaced cross cables. Cables may look good outside, and have internal corrosion, delivering less power to the starter.



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chris

03-03-2004 20:15:45




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 Re: 4230 perplexing starting problem in reply to Rob, 03-03-2004 14:46:06  
If your 4440 has a Nipp. starter on it exchange it with the delco on your 4230 and see if there is any difference between the starting. The Nipp. will fit a 4020 also if your wondering about applications. chris



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HTR

03-03-2004 18:45:07




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 Re: 4230 perplexing starting problem in reply to Rob, 03-03-2004 14:46:06  
I too, have fought these things since 1969 when the 4020s went to 12 volt systems. I agree that the Delco starters were never satisfactory. I have done all head work , pump work and all the other stuff. The one thing that made a new tractor out of them was when I discovered the Iskra starter. It will crank them fast enough to start most any time.



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twopop

03-03-2004 18:39:10




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 Re: 4230 perplexing starting problem in reply to Rob, 03-03-2004 14:46:06  
even if a jd engine is in good shape,they wont start well unless they turn over at the right speed.recently had the same problem with a 4850.it would start good above 50 degrees but if it got cold it was slow turning over.accidently found it was the solenoid.the round plate that moves to make contact with the large bolts was not making a good solid connection and therefore was not suppling enough power to the starter windings

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jdemaris

03-03-2004 15:23:52




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 Re: 4230 perplexing starting problem in reply to Rob, 03-03-2004 14:46:06  
Any of those things are true to an extent. The Delco starters work fine but are not at rugged as the Nippos. Parts are priced more reasonable, though. Put a manual destroker on the hydraulic pump and it will probably make a world of difference. It will start MUCH better and the starter will last a lot longer. Should cost around three bucks. There were thick head gaskets, also excessive valve recess in the head, broken or worn top rings and/or piston grooves, low fuel delivery at cranking speed, inadequate (retarded) static timing, etc. can all cause the problem. So can the tops of the pistons being too low, but if that is the case the tractor would never of been a good starter, even when new.

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