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Rob

10-06-2003 21:24:00




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My dad and i have a 3020D P.S. that has had a turbo added on. The engine was overhauled at 3300 hours and now it just spun a rod bearing at 5000 hours. Is this the cause of the turbo being to much for the engine or something else? Thanks for any help.




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John

10-07-2003 17:59:40




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 Re: 3020 Engine problems in reply to Rob, 10-06-2003 21:24:00  
Rob:

Did you have the engine balanced before re-assembly? I think this needed to be done on the 4 cylinder 3010's-3020's or things would come apart. Also, I agree with G-man 100%. If you start turning engine's up and adding turbo's. Install a boost gauge and a Pyrometer, you need to see how much stress you're putting to the engine. Also, many of the M&W kits came with finned oil pans, which dissipated heat better and held more oil to keep it cooler. When you go to rebuild an engine, go through the long process to measure clearances with feeler gauges, micrometers, or plastigauge. All of these have ot be "Within Spec" or things could happed to bearings.

Hope this helps.

John

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Rob

10-08-2003 07:34:49




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 Re: Re: 3020 Engine problems in reply to John, 10-07-2003 17:59:40  
Do you know wherte i might be able to pick one of those oil pans up? I never heard of that, i think we are going to pull the motor and get it overhauled again. I would like the turbo to go back on for the power, but i would like it to be a little more durable.



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John

10-08-2003 10:26:40




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 Re: Re: Re: 3020 Engine problems in reply to Rob, 10-08-2003 07:34:49  
I don't exactly know what to tell you. I'd look at auctions, classified ads. Actually, place a classified ad on this site for one. If you were going to rebuild it, I'd have the shop check the balance of the crank, rods, balancer, and flywheel to make sure everything is ok.

Hope this helps!

John



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Rob

10-08-2003 13:13:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 3020 Engine problems in reply to John, 10-08-2003 10:26:40  
Thanks for all your help guys i appreciate it!



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G-MAN

10-07-2003 05:30:58




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 Re: 3020 Engine problems in reply to Rob, 10-06-2003 21:24:00  
That's going to be real hard to determine at this point. Rod bearings generally fail due to a lack of lube, or outright failure of the oil to do it's job. Certainly the turbo adds to the load on the rod bearings, and also adds a bunch of heat to the engine oil, which can make it break down faster. Those 3020 internals were not designed to cope with the loads placed on the engine by a turbo. If the engine was overfueled excessively, that could also be a cause. There's really no way to tell without actually looking at it.

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Rob

10-07-2003 10:05:58




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 Re: Re: 3020 Engine problems in reply to G-MAN, 10-07-2003 05:30:58  
Is there something specific i would be looking for that might tell me the cause? When we took the pan off only one bearing was spun and it was black like it had been heated up. Also do you think it would be ok to clean it up and make sure it is still inside the tolerances and put a new bearing in it? I am just at a loss because it has so few hours on it, we change the oil regularly and it is a small farm the tractor is not worked all that hard unless grinding feed or pulling a disc. Thanks for the help!

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G-MAN

10-07-2003 10:48:32




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 Re: Re: Re: 3020 Engine problems in reply to Rob, 10-07-2003 10:05:58  
Offhand, I would guess a lack of oil pressure. A rod bearing is ususally the first to fail when that happens to a Deere engines. The 6404s, 6466s, and 6076s usually eat #4 first when that happens, but I don't know the 4-bangers like your 3020 take out. I would guess either #2 or #3, though. At any rate, this is probably not going to be a patch-together fix. If the bearing did actually spin in the rod, your rod big-end is probably oversized, and will either need to be resized or completely replaced. You could put a new bearing in it and see how the clearance comes out, but that would be mighty iffy, in my opinion. You might get by with just idling around with it, but even money says that in a high-load situtaion, such as disking or grinding, it's going to fail again, especially with a turbo involved. It could last 1 hour or 1000 hours. It's your money and your call, and I cannot in good conscience tell you to slap it back together and run it. At the very least, have somebody with good Deere knowledge or a machinist look at it before deciding.

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