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Rob Johnson

10-19-2003 20:52:31




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I have found myself a 440 and a 435 down he in Oz , and thats what I want , GM powered !.
However , I have a question .
What is the 3 pl on these tractors able to lift ?.
I have a W6 with a factory 3pl , and would like to know if I can use the same 3pl implements.
Thanks Rob Johnson.




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Steve from MO

10-20-2003 07:42:11




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 Re: 440/435 3pl in reply to Rob Johnson, 10-19-2003 20:52:31  
The W6 was similar to the Farmall M which is quite a bit bigger and heavier than the 435/440 John Deere. The John Deere equivalent would be a G or 70. It was the W4 that was similar to a Farmall H and more similar in size to the 435/440.



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MIKE HANLEY

10-19-2003 21:18:15




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 Re: 440/435 3pl in reply to Rob Johnson, 10-19-2003 20:52:31  
The 3PT on those tractors are CAT.I and anything CAT.I will fit. CAT.I, haveing the smaller holes in the balls of the lowerer lifh arms. Cat.I has 7/8" holes and CAT.II has 1 1/8" holes. You can put CAT.I implaments on CAT.II hitchs but you can't put CAT.II implaments on CAT.I hitchs. Yes you can change the pins on the implament, but there was a reason the there is a differants. And that was so that the implamenr was matched to the tractor. The problem will be as with most 3Pt's,,, they can lift more the what the front end of the tractor will be able to stay on the ground when driveing off flat ground. What is a W6? Is that the old IH standard?

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Rob Johnson

10-19-2003 22:10:13




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 Re: Re: 440/435 3pl in reply to MIKE HANLEY, 10-19-2003 21:18:15  
Thanks Mike .
Yes , the W6 is an American International W6 with an AW6 3pl retrofitted , this was commonly , and easily done .
I am using a Wallace aerator with seedbox with the W6 , and it can just lift it , I wouldn't call its 3pl exactly powerful , just wondering how the JD would compare. The W6 does lighten up a little with the Wallace hanging on the back , but no problem at all .
Regards Rob Johnson.

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Steve - IN

10-20-2003 05:18:11




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 Re: Re: Re: 440/435 3pl in reply to Rob Johnson, 10-19-2003 22:10:13  
Rob,
I've got a row crop version of your W6, an IH H. I think we share the same belly pump for hydraulics. By all accounts that pump is one of the lowest capacity units on any tractor (least the early version -still it's amazing what they can do). So odds are good the JD's pump will be able to do anything the W6 can do.



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Rob Johnson

10-20-2003 14:05:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 440/435 3pl in reply to Steve - IN, 10-20-2003 05:18:11  
Actually Steve , the Inter W6 and the Farmall M share parts.
The Australian tractor always used an external hydraulic pump , usually a Plessey , pumping 10.5 gpm at 1400 psi , and this was probably retrofitted , along with the 3pl on to the early American tractors .
How does this compare to the output of a JD 440/435 ?.
Rob Johnson



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Steve - IN

10-20-2003 17:42:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 440/435 3pl in reply to Rob Johnson, 10-20-2003 14:05:56  
Rob, You're right, the W4 is the H equivalent, the W6 is a M and the W9 is the one off the charts.

The later H pump belly pump is ~750 psi, the M type belly pump runs around 1000, and I think the JD 430, 435 ran somewhere around 1000 as well. As Mike has pointed out, geometry does make a difference, as does the bore and stroke of the cylinder.

All in all, if a H belly pump can do it (which I know it can) I think you're still safely in Cat I territory - so any question is probably about if, but when the lifting work gets done.

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MIKE HANLEY

10-20-2003 16:43:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 440/435 3pl in reply to Rob Johnson, 10-20-2003 14:05:56  
The pump pressuer dosen't have that much to do with lift as does the face of the piston that the oil is pushing against. EXAMPLE: a 2" piston @ 1000 PSI will have a force of 3142# A 4" piston @ 1000 PSI will have a force of 12,566#. Even if you calculate pump pressure with the piston, you still will not be able to compare lift between tractors as you also have to figure in the leverage of your force at the piviot point. It is the force at the piviot point at the rockshaft that detrermines the lift at the end of the 3PT arms.

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Rob Johnson

10-20-2003 20:58:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 440/435 3pl in reply to MIKE HANLEY, 10-20-2003 16:43:16  
Well , I found what I was looking for in regard to the W6 , the IHC of Aust owners manual , for engine driven Hydraulic system for the AOS-6 Super AW6 and Super AWD6 .
It states , in part ,operating pressure 1100ib per sq inch , Maximum lift 3475 , length of rockshaft arms 10 inches , amount of lift 12 1/2 inches , Maximum lifting time 1 second.
And Maximum lift at draft link ends 1740 lbs .
Now i wonder how that compares to the JD 435/440 ?.
Rob Johnson

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Rob Johnson

10-21-2003 13:01:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 440/435 3pl in reply to Rob Johnson, 10-20-2003 20:58:48  
Sorry Mike , the 12 1/2 inches lift was the rockshaft arms , the lift at the draft link ends is 25 inches.
But this conversation makes me remember why the lift is difficult , the aerator hangs well back from the link ends , probably a good 4 feet !
Rob J.



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MIKE HANLEY

10-21-2003 06:22:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 440/435 3pl in reply to Rob Johnson, 10-20-2003 20:58:48  
Now you have me stumped. I have never seen those kind of spes on a two cylinder John deere and I even looked in John Deere's tect manual. I have seen simular specs list in the sales lit of new John Deere's but not the old ones. One thing that jumps out on the W6 specs in the lift of 12 1/2 " Is that at the end of the arms at the balls where it connects to the equipment? The arms of a John Deere 3 PT will go from a couple of inches from the ground to about 32" above the ground. If you want to E-mail me direct it is; hanleyranch@yahoo.com

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MIKE HANLEY

10-20-2003 17:07:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 440/435 3pl in reply to MIKE HANLEY, 10-20-2003 16:43:16  
PS: After thought, think of leverage as using a whench on a bolt and giving it everthing you have. Then put a 2 foot pipe on the end of the wrench. You will have a lot more force. Same way with the leverage on the piviot point on your rockshaft The piviot leverage arm is inside on a John Deere where the after market 3PT's have everything outside. That would still take a lot of math to figure and on the John Deere you would have to know how long the leverage arm is so you would need to see one that is apart, and then do a lot of math.

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