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Function or hay dogs on a baler?

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Bobg

03-22-2005 12:11:14




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I posted this earlier, but subject was about my IH baler. I thought I had read somewhere that you have a tying problem when the hay dogs aren't working. My IH 27 baler ties well on the left side, but the right side whenever pushed will fail to tie. I thought this spring I should go over it and make sure everything worked fine. The manual doesn't event mention the top hay dogs. I found they were both froze up, the left side was froze in the down position and the right was froze in the up position. For the life of me I can't find how to get them out. They bolt on with one bolt, but you can't remove them. Would heating them and then using penetrating oil work?

Any help appreciated.

Bobg

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Hayfarmer

03-22-2005 19:06:05




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 Re: Function or hay dogs on a baler? in reply to Bobg, 03-22-2005 12:11:14  
The hay dogs keep the hay from moving back(or foreward depending on how you look at it) as the ble is being tied. They should have a spring to push them into the chamber but be able to move up out of the way when hay is pushed past them. Not sure how the ones work on your baler, but most are held by a pin or bolt which also holds the spring. Heat should work but if the spring is there you may take temper out of it.

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Errin OH

03-22-2005 22:57:20




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 Re: Function or hay dogs on a baler? in reply to Hayfarmer, 03-22-2005 19:06:05  
I can't speak for IH or NH but my ford ties with the plunger all the way back and bale compressed (slots in the plunger for the needles). Tieing without the plunger back is a quick way to break a needle. The hay dogs are more for bale formation than anything else. By holding back the bale you get an even distribution of hay into the chamber to be compressed. With the dogs not working properly the hay fed in would bunch up on one side creating uneven density problems or banna bales. One side containing less hay than the other, causing the bale to curl to that side. (been there done that) That could affect tying I spose. By not providing proper tension to the uncompressed side during the tie cycle the knot may not form properly and come untied. Or not pulled off/out of the mechinism properly.

Courious - Are you breaking knots or not tieing?

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Bobg

03-23-2005 07:49:36




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 Re: Function or hay dogs on a baler? in reply to Errin OH, 03-22-2005 22:57:20  
The knot ties, but the loop is pulled through and then the knot slip loose. I've tried adjusting the bill hook and twine tension, but nothing seems to work. If you take it easy and don't run a clump through it will bale alright, but if you hit a clump it misses. Knives are new have the razor blade inserts. I'm going to try sisal this year to see if that makes a difference. We had a 46 when I was growing up, knotters are the same. And it never misssed a beat, we could bale 2000 bales and miss one or two.

Bobg

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Bobg

03-22-2005 21:43:11




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 Re: Function or hay dogs on a baler? in reply to Hayfarmer, 03-22-2005 19:06:05  
I can get the spring off and the base that also bolts to the knotter. The hay dog is loose then but I cant get it through the slot. It looks like I would have to take quite a bit of the baler apart to get it out, if I could. I don't have an acetylene torch, but will try my propane. If that doesn't work I will have to try and find one. I have been slowly soaking them with WD40 and one is starting to move better, but the other is still pretty stiff.

Bobg

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