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square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale

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lemonlee

08-09-2004 19:21:24

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I bought a field of standing hay @ 25 cents per square bale. I ended up having 86 round bales after I had more squares than I could cope with. The baler owner said 8 to 10 square bales per round.....but the property owner says 18. That is quite a discrepancy and represents in the ball park of $190. I would like to keep as much of that as is fair. The land owner has agreed to consider an "average" of what responses I can get here..... .So please throw in your opinion for us-- whether it be high, low, or in between.

Thanks to all!

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Clay

08-11-2004 14:02:35

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to lemonlee, 08-09-2004 19:21:24

I have been visiting this site for a few months now and often hear talk of 30-60# square bales. I live in eastern Oklahoma and have always baled my own hay. Never bought or sold any. I have a NH 320 and try to keep my square bale wieghts around 70-80#, if conditions are just right and the baler is running perfect I have hauled some at 90#. This is probably alot different if you are selling hay. But I am trying to get as much as possible in the barn at one time.

With this in mind, I have also seen some extremely loose round bales. I think alot of it has to do with the brand and the operator. And I have seen some very tight bales, as was commented on.

Without seeing the bales or wieghing them it is hard to say. I have always heard 15 is a good average.

Good Luck Clay

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myhaybaler

08-11-2004 07:37:01

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to lemonlee, 08-09-2004 19:21:24

I hear people talk all the time about 60lb square bales that is really a lot of hay. And unless it's Alfalfa or something we don't or i would say most don't put that much hay in a square bale in Alabama. I unrolled several 4x4 bales probably 30 of bahia bermuda mix last year that were baled by a KRONE baler , very tight bales. I rebaled them with a 275 New Holland square baler. This was not fun at all. I averaged about 14 squares per roll. probably 30-35lbs per square. That was my #'s Good luck.

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wolfy

08-10-2004 18:56:41

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to lemonlee, 08-09-2004 19:21:24

My M&W 1500 makes 4X5, pretty tight. I've unrolled and square-baled three of them(JD 336). Two first cutting, one second grass clover mix. Got 34, 34, and 30 squares. The guy that said weigh each is right on.

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wolfy

08-10-2004 19:01:11

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to wolfy, 08-10-2004 18:56:41

If a 4X5 weighs 1200 lb & a 4X4 weighs 800 then I'd guestimate your 4X4's are about 20 forty pound squares.

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TimS

08-10-2004 08:15:12

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to lemonlee, 08-09-2004 19:21:24

The number of squares to round will vary based on how you have the balers set. Easiest way is to break a couple rounds open and then run em thru the square baler, either that or weigh the rounds, weigh the squares you were getting from that same field, and figure out the numbers that way.

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txblu

08-10-2004 06:52:58

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to lemonlee, 08-09-2004 19:21:24

My baler has been tested by a Cal U. Ag dept to put out between 1750 and 1950# 5x6 rounds (Hesston 5580). Take 1850 for an average. Given a 65# square, that's 28.5 squares. Seems amazing, but the weight is there. These rounds float the front on a JD 2120 (60 hp 5000# tractor)when you spear one and lift it. Lots of hay in that roll. I bale grass off terraced land so I can measure quite easily and have rolled 1 where I squared around 30 so the numbers match.

Sell a roll for $30 and a square for $3 (no labor-I do it all). Which would I rather sell? You guessed it. With limited acreage, go for the best price; course there has to be buyers which determines my distribution. Additionally, like to keep the rolls for my cows (sell the excess) and squares come off the homestead grassland. Those are baled to sell.

Mark

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kyhayman

08-10-2004 04:07:06

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to lemonlee, 08-09-2004 19:21:24

The bulk density on most round balers is adjustable. For example I can vary mine from 0-1800 psi for belt tension. WHere I noramlly run it I get about an 800-900 pound RB. Take them and get tehm weighed. Were I to guess I'd say 12.

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JMS/MN

08-09-2004 22:24:17

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to lemonlee, 08-09-2004 19:21:24

If you bought the hay on the basis of small squares, and then switched to round bales- when you made the switch you should know how many small squares you had. From then on, it's a no-brainer- weigh a representative sample of each, and do the math. If you made the switch without knowing how many small squares you had already- then that is your mistake, and the landlord is in charge, according to his estimation.

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lemonlee

08-10-2004 17:25:35

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to JMS/MN, 08-09-2004 22:24:17

I know exactly how many squares I have! I don't know how many there are in a round! Since a scale is out of the question, I thought (hoped) I could maybe avoid having to unroll a round and rebale it as squares.

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JMS/MN

08-10-2004 23:27:27

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to lemonlee, 08-10-2004 17:25:35

Since you say a scale is out of the question- it's back to guesswork, and I hope that you can come to a fair agreement. Rebaling some rounds can give you an approximation, but if I were either a buyer or seller, I would do more than just a few, just to be fair to all.

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Del

08-09-2004 19:41:53

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to lemonlee, 08-09-2004 19:21:24

If possible weigh them.You should weigh your hay now and then to get an idea of what your feeding or selling. You might put two rounds and 4 squares on a truck, take it to the gravel pit weigh it, take off the squares and reweigh. That will give you an idea of what the squares weigh. Then go home and take off the rounds and go back reweigh. That'll give you an idea of the rounds and do the math. I've seen 4x5 bales vary better than 400lbs.
Even if you burn 5 gallons of gas in the process your talking 45lbs of fuel or 22.5 lbs per round bale.

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Ron in AR

08-09-2004 19:41:39

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to lemonlee, 08-09-2004 19:21:24

I often have people ask me how many square bales my rounds equal. So, here's how I do it. My 4X4 rounds weigh in at about 800 to 900 pounds (depending on the particular field). My square bales average around 40 pounds. So if I divide 850 (an average) by 40, I get an equivelent of just over 21 square bales in one of my round bales. So, to be fair, just take one of the round bales and one of the square bales and have them weighed. From there the math is pretty easy. Sounds to me like the only fair way of doing it. To many variables....what type of hay, what size rounds, what kind of baler, and so on, for any one to make a fair guess. What is true for me might be miles off for someone else working under different conditions (example is my 21 bales as compared to the amounts you quoted). Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

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BUD

08-09-2004 19:38:06

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to lemonlee, 08-09-2004 19:21:24

SQUARES WEIGH IN AT 60LBS , DEVIDE 60 INTO THE WEIGHT OF YOUR ROUND BALES.I THINK AROUND 12-16 SQUARES TO A 4*4 ROLE

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TDK

08-09-2004 19:32:56

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to lemonlee, 08-09-2004 19:21:24

We rolled one out of a Vermeer 504 Super G and baled it. 13 1/2 square bales. This will probably vary between different brands of balers as well as different operators though.

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TDK

08-09-2004 19:35:29

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Re: square bale equivalent of a 4x4 round bale in reply to TDK, 08-09-2004 19:32:56

Forgot to mention, that it was a 4 X 4 roll.

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